Zubat.
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t's even worse with horde battles in XY, as if they weren't already annoying enough being in caves and shit, now we have to face like six of them at once in a cave?
At least it has some use when you're EV training.
Zubat.
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t's even worse with horde battles in XY, as if they weren't already annoying enough being in caves and shit, now we have to face like six of them at once in a cave?
True... if they don't spam confuse ray at you.At least it has some use when you're EV training.
There's absolutely nothing they implied in any tier. Don't just go ahead and assume things. BTW, Clefable > Sylveon, for that matter.When people say something is good in the context of competitive Pokemon, they are referring to OU (the "main" tier) or VGC unless they state otherwise. Your original post implied Florges is a good OU mon, which is not true in the slightest as it is completely eclipsed by Sylveon. I can't say for certain how good it is in VGC because I have little experience in the format, but its abilities are gimmicky border-lining on useless going by theory alone.
Iirc, Sylveon and Clefable do at least have enough differences in movepool, abilities and such to stand out from one another.There's absolutely nothing they implied in any tier. Don't just go ahead and assume things. BTW, Clefable > Sylveon, for that matter.
Don't forget shiny sprites with the exact same colour pallet as the normal =D.Iirc, Sylveon and Clefable do at least have enough differences in movepool, abilities and such to stand out from one another.
Florges doesn't really have anything significant to separate itself from Sylveon.
Anyhow... worst Pokémon ever?
Well, I'm gonna have to nominate three all on the same level. Well, six not counting them as evolutionary families...
Despite the fact I'm using one of them in a current White playthrough... I hate these things so much. It's really just mostly concept wise.
They literally exist just for a one-gym gimmick. That's it. And you're practically FORCED to use them to beat the gym, and... I just really hate forced gimmicks that only work for one thing that won't even matter later. At the very least Milotic, while obviously being a gimmick to promote Contests in Gen 3, has things about it that still makes it a unique and interesting Pokémon generations after what it's gimmick is for faded away.
These guys? Well, they decided to tack on an evolution for each one with decent enough stats just so you didn't drop them straight away and they didn't feel like dead weight. So let's see, have they got anything that sets them apart from the one gimmick of a gym? Well... their stats are all the exact same as each other and they're not particularly outstanding... they all have boring mono-types... they don't have any unique moves... their abilities are awful... you get better choices for all three types that are more interesting throughout the course of all three games you get them in... yeah, these guys are pretty fucking awful.
They just feel like such an unnecessary and forgettable waste of space and even though they're only good for that one gimmick? They are STILL whored out throughout the course of BW. A ton of trainers have all three of them in a team and that's it, and you pick up on the pattern and it just gets so boring and uninspired. We get it, you're a fucking trio, go away.
God, just... does anyone like these things? At all? Seriously, just... I'm sorry if this argument seems poorly constructed but I despise these things.
But, it turns into Gyrados. I don't mind Magikarp because it does have some nice Pokedex entries and works well as the fish no one wants.Magikarp.
Splash, Tackle, And Flail.
(It's also just a fish)
So everything nocturnal needs to have a dark type.Noctowl
It's a bird that comes out in the dark, make it dark flying type! But no, apparently we need another normal/flying type.
I agree these pokemon need these retypings....GF is lazy nowadays so MAKE MEGA EVOs!While none of these are bad pokemon in any way, based on what they are they were given typing that really doesn't make sense:
Noctowl
It's a bird that comes out in the dark, make it dark flying type! But no, apparently we need another normal/flying type.
Flygon
It's based on a dragonfly but isn't part bug type? Dragon/bug type would be so cool too!
Florges
It's a flower that is somehow only fairy type? fairy grass maybe?
Psychic/Flying makes more sense given its plethora of psychic moves.I agree these pokemon need these retypings....GF is lazy nowadays so MAKE MEGA EVOs!
I also think noctowl should be dark flying or psychic flying.
Noctowl was the second Normal/Flying line to be introduced, and as an early route Pokemon, Normal seems fine.While none of these are bad pokemon in any way, based on what they are they were given typing that really doesn't make sense:
Noctowl
It's a bird that comes out in the dark, make it dark flying type! But no, apparently we need another normal/flying type.
Flygon
It's based on a dragonfly but isn't part bug type? Dragon/bug type would be so cool too!
Florges
It's a flower that is somehow only fairy type? fairy grass maybe?
More like fourth. Pidgey, Spearow and Doduo were already there in Gen I.Noctowl was the second Normal/Flying line to be introduced
Ah, the famous "these banalities surely end the thread and shut up all the other participants, because nobody have heard these eloquent words before" argument. While the argument in the image might have some merit to it, it's outside the context of this thread. While all Pokémon may have some merit to them, it's pretty obvious that the designers did a better job with some than others, and there are a lot of bad apples in the bunch. Moreover, that argument has also been stated (and refuted) a thousand times before elsewhere. If you've been around the Pokémon community for longer than a few months, you're bound to have come across it or realized it's a fallacy (strawman, to be more precise). Also, when did posting a picture with somebody else's argument on it ever end a thriving debate?I think we should end this discussion because i found this on the internet:
Right... Somehow forgot about Spearow and Doduo...More like fourth. Pidgey, Spearow and Doduo were already there in Gen I.
Ah, the famous "these banalities surely end the thread and shut up all the other participants, because nobody have heard these eloquent words before" argument. While the argument in the image might have some merit to it, it's outside the context of this thread. While all Pokémon may have some merit to them, it's pretty obvious that the designers did a better job with some than others, and there are a lot of bad apples in the bunch. Moreover, that argument has also been stated (and refuted) a thousand times before elsewhere. If you've been around the Pokémon community for longer than a few months, you're bound to have come across it or realized it's a fallacy (strawman, to be more precise). Also, when did posting a picture with somebody else's argument on it ever end a thriving debate?
the antlion thing makes the pre evolutions and ground typing make a lot more senseNoctowl was the second Normal/Flying line to be introduced, and as an early route Pokemon, Normal seems fine.
Flygon isn't based on a dragonfly, though. It's based on an antlion, thus the Ground typing it maintains throughout its evolution line. Maybe if it receives a Mega Evolution it'll exchange one type for Bug? Who knows.
Yeah, I've got nothing for Florges...
it is a sharkthe antlion thing makes the pre evolutions and ground typing make a lot more sense
still, we got ground/dragon with garchomp.
...which now that i look at garchomp, i feel like it should be water/dragon since it looks so much like a shark
Garchomp also came after, and being a "land shark"/fighter jet mix is kind of clever... unlike, say, Pachirisu, who's just an electric squirrel.the antlion thing makes the pre evolutions and ground typing make a lot more sense
still, we got ground/dragon with garchomp.
...which now that i look at garchomp, i feel like it should be water/dragon since it looks so much like a shark
dont even get me started on pachirisu hahaGarchomp also came after, and being a "land shark"/fighter jet mix is kind of clever... unlike, say, Pachirisu, who's just an electric squirrel.
Yes it did. All arguments must end sometime, you can't keep going on and on. If arguments lasted forever we would never get anywhere in life. This is probably the wrong place to discuss this...More like fourth. Pidgey, Spearow and Doduo were already there in Gen I.
Ah, the famous "these banalities surely end the thread and shut up all the other participants, because nobody have heard these eloquent words before" argument. While the argument in the image might have some merit to it, it's outside the context of this thread. While all Pokémon may have some merit to them, it's pretty obvious that the designers did a better job with some than others, and there are a lot of bad apples in the bunch. Moreover, that argument has also been stated (and refuted) a thousand times before elsewhere. If you've been around the Pokémon community for longer than a few months, you're bound to have come across it or realized it's a fallacy (strawman, to be more precise). Also, when did posting a picture with somebody else's argument on it ever end a thriving debate?
I can at least agree with you on Mega Houndoom. The ability sucks balls.Oh, Mr. Mime for sure. It has literally no good qualities. Worst design ever, worst name ever, based on the worst real-world thing ever, and it's also nearly worthless in-battle and in-game.
Runners up: Jynx, Miltank, Vanilluxe, Cryogonal, Probopass, Samurott, Emboar, Tangrowth, snubull.
I have a personal grudge against mega-houndoom because of that accursed ability. I've been waiting for a houndoom evo for more than a decade, only to have it lose its immunity in favor of a nearly useless ability.
Everything sucks.\
I can at least agree with you on Mega Houndoom. The ability sucks balls.
Not... really. The +20 speed boost is incredible and just the right tier to outspeed most notable threats like Latios and Gengar aside from those with incredible outstanding speed like a Mega Lopunny or something. The Special Attack boost, while not the best for a Mega, is just enough to be notable and abuse Nasty Plot. The defence boost is... rather bizarre if I'm honest, but I can see what they're going for and it's not as if it's completely useless (looking at you, Mega Gardevoir's +20 Attack). Really it just needed a good non-situational ability to tie it up in a neat package but it unfortunately didn't get that.Everything sucks.