that's neither LS or AG.
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NOC eli loves matrices game thread [Game Over, Town Win!]
- Thread starter Nuxl
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I feel more confident in om
I'll throw in that aura is weird but I dont know how they play as town
honestly not only do I trust that om is scum here but I also trust that if schia is wrong we kill them tomorrow
I've seen them do this sort of latephase meta push onto lhf as scum before but the thing is the things they're saying about om are correct
caff I dont really have any lean on at the moment aside from that hes sort of just unhelpful. feels more possibly town than om but could be s/s
Sort of seconded; the only votes on him that I actually like are Celever's and my own (Celever did vote after the count, right?)
Anyway, no links bc we're flying by the seat of our pants here. But.
some other thoughts i had but haven't outed bc needed time to sit with them:
i think the surge in activity from this afternoon probably warrants some active evaluation around Cel/Vizh/Caff if anyone is dissatisfied with sending OM over.
more miscellany:
also:
some other thoughts i had but haven't outed bc needed time to sit with them:
i think the surge in activity from this afternoon probably warrants some active evaluation around Cel/Vizh/Caff if anyone is dissatisfied with sending OM over.
more miscellany:
remembered disliking this, felt inconsistent with the mischaracterization from Vizh on Psy's read earlier. like, psy's problem w Vizh was pretty directly the amt of hedging coming from the slot (which i think is a well-formed read) and Vizh's response here is just not a great framing of it
which like, happens, people misunderstand things/walk away with different ideas/blah blah but i think for psy to have called attn to that misframing & then for Vizh to land back in the territory of "oh yeah Psy has good reasons on me" is kind of ??? for me
also:
idk if this from Cel is suggestive of one alignment or the other necessarily but i v much dislike the approach that like.... rambling can't come from town. This is fundamentally a read based on formatting, w/o much that materially ties that back to concretely non-villager motivations. Like, some people just think in a more off-the-cuff/stream-of-conscious kind of way, and it can show in a forum context as them just sort of posting for the sake of inflating postcount, but I don't know what actual content from Psy substantiates that to say it's being done for optics here.
this is a good point. tbz popped in and said he wanted to unvote caff it would be weird to send him overwoth that on his wagon
It's really cool that Vizh is off-wagon and it's really cool that Cel is on Caff.
It's all just super cool.
I'm over the moon about it all.
It's all just super cool.
I'm over the moon about it all.
Amazing timing.
vizh hops on for credit. probably scum here
Would have to go back and have a deeper look but for now this is probs as good a time as any to say TBZ hasn't towntold at all yet.
CaffeineBoost (4) - Thunder~BALLZ, realiti, M24, Aura Guardian
OM (4) - Schiavetto, Psypsypsypsypsythe, CaffeineBoost, Lady Salamence
So here's the breakdown of the dynamics here.
TBZ and realiti are very early votes on Caff. Not really based on that much. TBZ re-enters the thread stating he might leave the wagon but he still thinks Caff is maf. That's a weird dynamic to have there and to me generates a fair amount of scumbud potential, as though TBZ tried to do an early bus for vca and then realised the standing of things rn. realiti is just not here which is annoying.
M24 I think had a good showing today. Genuinely townlean them a little, and I think a town!M24 Caff scumlean is rational based on what happened in the thread while they were here. Recency bias being involved a little in the read is sometimes natural for town. Also not here at deadline, also quite annoying.
AG is a townlean at this point also, and I think there was believable progression wrt Caff. Like not that detailed, but believable.
At worst I think if Caff is wrong, the probability is that 3 town are wrong.
OTOH OM's case really is just hardcore meta which not only tempers the amount of information provided from flip, but gives the players on the vote a pretty easy get out of jail free card. Schia I do think is most likely town, but the case on OM doesn't actually provide much insight into their perspective and so their being town is a little more irrelevant. I think the other votes are largely bandwagons and it is extremely follow the leader. If any of these 3 are maf, which I think in this lineup there is a decent shot at it, voting OM because Schia got it wrong in order to put the blame on Schia later is like exactly what I would do if I were maf too.
Caff's wagon is jank as fuck but it's still a little more organic and most probably town-led, I think.
OM (4) - Schiavetto, Psypsypsypsypsythe, CaffeineBoost, Lady Salamence
So here's the breakdown of the dynamics here.
TBZ and realiti are very early votes on Caff. Not really based on that much. TBZ re-enters the thread stating he might leave the wagon but he still thinks Caff is maf. That's a weird dynamic to have there and to me generates a fair amount of scumbud potential, as though TBZ tried to do an early bus for vca and then realised the standing of things rn. realiti is just not here which is annoying.
M24 I think had a good showing today. Genuinely townlean them a little, and I think a town!M24 Caff scumlean is rational based on what happened in the thread while they were here. Recency bias being involved a little in the read is sometimes natural for town. Also not here at deadline, also quite annoying.
AG is a townlean at this point also, and I think there was believable progression wrt Caff. Like not that detailed, but believable.
At worst I think if Caff is wrong, the probability is that 3 town are wrong.
OTOH OM's case really is just hardcore meta which not only tempers the amount of information provided from flip, but gives the players on the vote a pretty easy get out of jail free card. Schia I do think is most likely town, but the case on OM doesn't actually provide much insight into their perspective and so their being town is a little more irrelevant. I think the other votes are largely bandwagons and it is extremely follow the leader. If any of these 3 are maf, which I think in this lineup there is a decent shot at it, voting OM because Schia got it wrong in order to put the blame on Schia later is like exactly what I would do if I were maf too.
Caff's wagon is jank as fuck but it's still a little more organic and most probably town-led, I think.
Plur is on Caff btw.
there's still enough time for a really funny HH flashwagon
aura expressing concern about the wagon but staying is interesting
I'm concerned about the people on it, not the wagon itself. I understand that's a fine line, but it is there.