hey man, yeah I definitely did struggle vs those two. I usually had to play conservatively by keeping Lando healthy and go straight Lando on Hawlucha, and then I could usually live (without rocks iirc) and if not, Magearna can revenge or Tox can haze even at +2. They're very hard to play around and I 100% would've voted those if Hawlucha had Sub, but Spikes were usually way too much too handle without hazard control