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  1. Metagame [SPOILERS] ULTRA SM - Speculation & Discussion

    the Necrozmas will go to Ubers straight off as is the norm. They (read: Dawn Wings, the dissapointment) could be resuspected at a later date. The rest will start in OU and work their way down tiers or be banned, until they settle, like any other pokemon in any other gen.
  2. SPOILERS! Necrozma Dusk Mane/Dawn Wing [If it wasn't obvious spoilers]

    If the Metagame gets as balanced as S/M ended up being, with no obviously banable threats RN, then a suspect isn't out of the question, but only when the tier settles. I don't expect Dawn Wings to PASS the suspect, but it'd be worth the suspect if nothing else. Right at the start? not a...
  3. SPOILERS! Poipole and Naganadel

    not Valid because, apparently, its obtained at Level 40, and LC needs a mon to be available at level 5. Its why they never had an issue with Type:Null That means its gonna find a home in somewhere between PU and RU i'd say, and i don't know those tiers well enough to say.
  4. SPOILERS! Necrozma Dusk Mane/Dawn Wing [If it wasn't obvious spoilers]

    Standard Policy from what i remember with Kyube would have Dawn Wings start in Ubers regardless, and if the council feels like its worth the time to try, it will be suspect tested in OU like anything else coming down. It happened With Kyube, it would happen with this, as 680 legends are put in...
  5. Metagame Metagame Discussion Thread v4

    thats...stupidly incorrect. Aegislash as a pokemon warped the tier around itself, due to the vast amount of sets it could run and pokemon it could beat. Not running Aegislash on each and every team actively made your team worse, and you had to have multiple answers to it. alot of Sets did not...
  6. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    Emmm no. No to all of this. Not having switch ins does not get you placed into B, especially when it's prediction reliant and the Victini player guessing wrong gets put into a huge hole because of it and probably loses a mon. Conversely what can Victini come in on? Heck what can Victini revenge...
  7. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    Well put together post but...i honestly don't see the point when Alolan Ninetails exists. Articuno hits harder than Ninetails, thats true. Also true is that its bulkier. However, Ninetails isn't 4x weak to stealth rocks, which even with the rise of Mew are still nigh omnipresent. The calcs you...
  8. Metagame Metagame Discussion Thread v3

    i'm pretty sure we aren't ment to talk about potential bans here, but Landos going nowhere before Greninja at the very least, Baton Pass will probably be looked at too before anybody even thinks of suspecting Lando and even then why bother? its a great blanket mon and yes its omnipresent but...
  9. Metagame Metagame Discussion Thread v3

    Landorus-T wasn't banned last gen, just Landorus-I, like this Gen.
  10. Metagame Metagame Discussion Thread v3

    Its not just a post form change thing that the cartridge treats it differently Greninjas ability slots look like Torrent/Torrent/Protean. Ash-Greninja, no matter what form its in, has the ability slots that look like Battle Bond/Battle Bond/Battle Bond. On the cart itself they are programmed...
  11. Announcement np: SM OU Suspect Process, Round 3 - Beauty and the Boost - Pheromosa is now banned

    The reason it wasn't banned initially is because its best sets weren't discovered until recently, in around the Duggy Suspect. At the start of S/M Mosa was hard to stop but it had...2 sets? All Out Attacking and Scarf. Those are the two i know were prominent around that time anyway. And stuff...
  12. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    this idea of "If Pheros banned we can just move it up" has merit. We don't need to rank it NOW, and i think the points against Bee are enough to justify it not being ranked. Its niche is "It hits harder than Pheremosa with its Poison Stab and U-Turn" but...if thats really an issue, why not use...
  13. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    really? Thats what you get out of it? 252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Landorus-Therian: 304-360 (79.5 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Cause this calc tells me that Landorous can't come in on Nihilego with its standard defensive set, and its the one wanting to come in on...
  14. Announcement SM OU Suspect Process, Round 2 - Dirt

    So this is what Dugtrio does for offence, it removes threats that stop your Sweep. On STALL, Duggys even better, removing threats that could break your core meaning the other 5 mons you can just stall out with ease. Hoopa was banned last gen for how it dismantled Stall, but this gen not so much...
  15. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    Why does it need to OHKO? Magnezone can't come in on a potential HP Fire, if Greninja is running it, so it can only Revenge Kill. Greninja user switches into their Volt Switch resist (Probably Lando-T) and unless your ballsy and click HP Ice (Why would you unless you have to, if the Greninja...
  16. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    Neither of them can come in on it though? Which is exactly like ORAS Greninja is so frail it dies to anything, and Priority was everywhere in ORAS, be it Bravest Bird who has Braved his last Bird this gen, or otherwise. The common scenario was Greninja comes in on something it beats, be it as a...
  17. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    As the person who seems to have, accidentally, opened the flood gates for it, i'd disagree with an Ash-Greninja rise. Ash-Greninja needs to get that initial kill in order to be as threatening as its Protean counterpart, and you know its set (Specs, Hydro Pump, MIZU SHURIKEN, U-Turn, Dark...
  18. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    i think Greninjas biggest change is the existence of Ash-Greninja Think about how threatening Ash-Greninja is once it gets Battle Bond off, people will go out of their way to stop it. You cannot Sack against Greninja until you know it is Protean, where sacking is a very common play to get your...
  19. Resource SM OU Viability Ranking Thread

    Thats not how you play Manaphy tho? Against Offence you use only Z Rain Dance. You don't need Tail Glow to Wreck what Offence has Going 90% of the time, Rain Boosted Water Moves is enough (Rain isn't even always required) Against Stall, you use Tail Glow, and use the Waterium-Z on a Hydro...
  20. Pokémon Alola Marowak

    You lose alot of what makes Marowak such a good tank, being you neuter electric types with Lightning Rod. that added Immunity is a major part of why Marowak is so good.
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