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IMO the biggest Sub abuser is Excadrill -- it hits hard and resists almost all moves that bypass Sub. Conk has to choose between clicking Focus Punch and Drain Punch, and 105/95/65 isn't great bulk, especially for a mon whose only non-Leftovers recovery is an HP-draining move. (Cf. Strength Sap...

Which set? Hatterene is a good TR abuser/secondary setter that can boost with CM, but it's limited in this meta by its lack of good TM options; running MBounce means it doesn't have to worry about (and can even benefit from) the opponent's status/hazard TMs. TWave in particular is annoying for...

Ah yeah I forgot Strong Jaw is 1.5 rather than 1.3 -- Rain Dance would only be worthwhile for team support then. But it's not much of a loss, since Dracovish almost always wants to click Fishious Rend anyway. (And Dracovish isn't that good with status spam everywhere.) Speaking of mons that want...

Just getting back into things, but TR looks good this gen. It was decent last gen, but outclassed by stall, which there wasn't much reason not to play -- but the mons it lost (Sub MHera and TG Xurk) were a little awkward on TR anyway, and it gained the Gen 8 fossils. These sets have a lot of...

GCors has a hard time setting rocks, but its Whirlpool set is decent: Corsola-Galar @ Eviolite Ability: Cursed Body EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Bold Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Whirlpool - Night Shade - Strength Sap - Will-O-Wisp

I didn't know Equi even had Whirlwind. Forcing Dragon Tail for phazing seems pro-concept, and I can't think of any Sub users that Whirlwind on Equi would be keeping in check, so dropping Whirlwind seems like a good idea no matter what else happens. A SpDef drop could encourage AV to deal with...

I don't play OU but sure why not Pokemon: Bruxish Take: 3 Type: Water / Psychic Ability: Swift Swim Stats: 70 / 50 / 59 / 124 / 90 / 82 (BST: 475) New Moves: Dark Pulse, Hydro Pump, Moonblast Competitive Niche: A rain abuser that defeats Swampert-Mega counters like Kartana and Venusaur-Mega...

Here's a bad meme. Posting because it's fun to ladder with. Here's another team.

Sub isn't as safe as infinite Disguise would be - you lose 25% if you have 25% to lose. Sub mons without reliable recovery or Wish support can effectively be damaged by forcing them out, since they're going to lose 25% plus hazard damage when they come back in. In this case, Kommo-o forces out...

aw man I have to delurk now I don't think Substitute is such an outlier on the risk/reward curve. There are ways to pressure Sub teams and increase the risk of bringing in (or leaving in) a Sub mon, even when it's part of a SubWish core: - Hazard-stacking teams force a Sub user to choose...