Gen 3 ADV Nidorino [Done]

[BP]

[SET]
name: Wallbreaker
move 1: Sludge Bomb
move 2: Return
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Facade
item: Choice Band
ability: Poison Point
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Nidorino sets itself apart from other Choice Band users thanks to its Poison typing, excellent Attack stat, and rarely-seen ability Poison Point. STAB-boosted Sludge Bomb is incredibly dangerous to switch into for non Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon due to its high chance to inflict poison. Rock- and Ground-type Pokemon, most notably Rhyhorn and Cubone, are dissuaded from switching in because of the poison chance due to their tendency to use Substitute. Return provides Nidorino with an option against opposing Poison-types that may attempt to switch in such as Dustox, Grimer, and Koffing. Hidden Power Fighting allows Nidorino to threaten Steel-type Pokemon like Aron and Magnemite. Facade allows Nidorino to deal some semblance of damage even after being burned by Koffing. An Adamant nature is chosen to make use of Nidorino's fantastic Attack; using Jolly doesn't enable Nidorino to outspeed anything notable.

Nidorino fits best on balance and offense teams that appreciate the likelihood of it spreading poison. Nidorino's access to Poison Point in conjunction with Sludge Bomb can open up opportunities for wallbreakers and setup sweepers by poisoning bulkier Pokemon. Other physical attackers such as Aipom, Rhyhorn, and Cubone appreciate Nidorino as a secondary wallbreaker. Due to its lacking Speed, Nidorino appreciates help from Thunder Wave users such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite. Chinchou deserves a special mention, as it's able to threaten Koffing as well as Rock- and Ground-types that Nidorino can only hope to poison such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Butterfree makes for a fantastic partner, as it's able to remove Koffing with Psychic and use Sleep Powder against Pokemon that would otherwise threaten Nidorino such as Chinchou. Nidorino struggles against special attackers, so specially defensive Pokemon such as Castform, Dustox, Delcatty, and Sunflora are integral for supporting it. Specially defensive Poison-types such as Dustox and Grimer are often forced to come in on Nidorino in fear of a Sludge Bomb, so special attackers such as Elekid and Chinchou appreciate Nidorino's ability to weaken them with its Normal coverage.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Nidorino can opt to use Leftovers to increase its longevity and more easily damage switch ins, but this heavily reduces its effectiveness as a physical wallbreaker. Double Kick is an option over Facade specifically for Substitute Magnemite, however Nidorino almost always prefers Facade in case it gets hit with Will-O-Wisp while trying to weaken Koffing for other physical wallbreakers.


Checks and Counters
===================

**Koffing**: Koffing is the most reliable pivot into Nidorino, as it resists Sludge Bomb and is only 3HKOed by Return, giving it time to Nidorino's with Will-O-Wisp. While this does strengthen Facade, it still lacks the power to KO Koffing even after two uses of Return.

**Steel-types**: Aron and Magnemite can both switch into Nidorino if it's locked into Sludge Bomb and threaten it with Earthquake and Thunderbolt respectively. They also make safe switch-ins to Nidorino's Normal-type coverage moves. Both must be wary of Hidden Power Fighting, however.

**Shuppet**: Shuppet is immune to Nidorino's Fighting- and Normal-type coverage. However, as a Substitute user it can easily be crippled by poison from Nidorino's Sludge Bomb, which 2HKOes it despite resisting the move.

**Protect Users**: Protect users such as Castform, Seaking, and Delcatty can all scout the move Nidorino locks itself into, making it easier to switch into.

**Faster Attackers**: Elekid, Chinchou, and Aipom can all outspeed Nidorino and threaten it with their STAB-boosted attacks.

**Ground-types**: While neither like being poisoned by Sludge Bomb, Rhyhorn and Cubone can severely threaten Nidorino with Earthquake.

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[Gangsta Spongebob]

Good work, QC 1/2 when implemented

QC 1/2

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[SET]
name: Wallbreaker
move 1: Sludge Bomb
move 2: Return
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Facade
item: Choice Band
ability: Poison Point
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Nidorino sets itself apart from other Choice Band users thanks to its Poison-typing, excellent Attack stat, and its seldom seen unique or rare might be better here, "seldom seen" has negative connotations ability Poison Point. STAB-boosted Sludge Bomb proves to be incredibly dangerous to switch into for non Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon due to its high chance to poison. Rock- and Ground-type Pokemon, most notably Rhyhorn and Cubone, can be are better to be more direct dissuaded from switching in due to their tendency to use Substitute. Return provides Nidorino with an option against opposing Poison-types that may attempt to switch in such as Dustox, Grimer, and Koffing. Hidden Power Fighting allows Nidorino to threaten Steel-type Pokemon like Aron and Magnemite. Facade allows Nidorino to maintain its ability to wallbreak even after being burned by Koffing. Mention higher damage ranges this can help against An Adamant nature is required to make use of Nidorino's fantastic Attack. Mention that this is being used over Jolly. Are there any relevant Pokemon Jolly will outspeed?

Nidorino fits best on balance and offense teams that appreciate the likelihood of it spreading poison. Other physical attackers such as Aipom, Rhyhorn, and Cubone appreciate Nidorino as a secondary wallbreaker. Due to its lacking Speed, Nidorino appreciates Pokemon that use Thunder Wave such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite. Chinchou is worth mentioning, as its able to threaten Koffing as well as Rock- and Ground-types that Nidorino can only hope to poison such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Butterfree tends to make for a fantastic partner as its able to remove Koffing with Psychic and use Sleep Powder against Pokemon that would other threaten Nidorino such as Chinchou and Shuppet. Nidorino struggles against special attackers so specially defensive Pokemon such as Castform, Dustox, Delcatty, and Sunflora are integral for providing it support.

Mention the utility of Poison Point here

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Nidorino can opt to use Leftovers to increase its longevity and more easily damage switch ins but this heavily reduces its effectiveness as a physical wallbreaker. Double Kick is an option over Facade specfically for Substitute Magnemite, however Nidorino almost always prefers Facade should it get hit with Will-O-Wisp trying to weaken opposing Koffing for other physical wallbreakers.


Checks and Counters
===================

**Koffing**: Koffing is the most reliable pivot into Nidorino as it resists Sludge Bomb and is 3HKOed by Return. Mention what Koffing does in return, and how Facade interacts with it.

**Aron and Magnemite Steel-types**: Aron and Magnemite can both switch into Nidorino if its it's locked into Sludge Bomb and threaten it with Earthquake and Thunderbolt respectively. Mention that they resist Normal Both must be wary of Hidden Power Fighting however.

**Shuppet**: Shuppet is immune to Nidorino's Fighting- and Normal-type coverage. Moreover, it also resists Sludge Bomb, however as a Substitute user it can easily be crippled by poison. Shuppet still takes a ton from Sludge Bomb, mention that

**Protect Users**: Protect users such as Castform, Seaking, and Delcatty can all scout what move Nidorino locks itself into making it easier to switch into.

**Faster Attackers**: Elekid, Chinchou, and Aipom can all outspeed and threaten Nidorino with their STAB-boosted attacks.

Mention Ground-types, as while they don't like taking Sludge Bomb poison, they still easily beat Nidorino 1v1 in most cases

[CREDITS]
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[sleid]

Awesome work, i took me a while to read through to find stuff to comment on. qc 2/2 when done

QC 2/2

[SET]
name: Wallbreaker
move 1: Sludge Bomb
move 2: Return
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Facade
item: Choice Band
ability: Poison Point
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Nidorino sets itself apart from other Choice Band users thanks to its Poison-typing, excellent Attack stat, and its rarely seen ability Poison Point. STAB-boosted Sludge Bomb proves to be incredibly dangerous to switch into for non Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon due to its high chance to poison. Rock- and Ground-type Pokemon, most notably Rhyhorn and Cubone, are dissuaded from switching in due to their tendency to use Substitute. Return provides Nidorino with an option against opposing Poison-types that may attempt to switch in such as Dustox, Grimer, and Koffing. Hidden Power Fighting allows Nidorino to threaten Steel-type Pokemon like Aron and Magnemite. Facade allows Nidorino to maintain its ability to do some semblance of damage even after being burned by Koffing. An Adamant nature is required over Jolly to make use of Nidorino's fantastic Attack. Moreover, a Jolly nature doesn't allow Nidorino to outspeed anything notable.

Nidorino fits best on balance and offense teams that appreciate the likelihood of it spreading poison. Nidorino's access to Poison Point provides great utility for other wallbreakers as well as set up sweepers. (i dont understand what you mean by this. like the ability to poison other mons can open up opportunities for these wallbreakers and set up sweepers to break through checks? maybe clear it up by talking about its potent poison spreading ability with sludge + poison point can weaken mons that check the physical attackers you mention next) Other physical attackers such as Aipom, Rhyhorn, and Cubone appreciate Nidorino as a secondary breaker. Due to its lacking Speed, Nidorino appreciates Pokemon that use Thunder Wave such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite. Chinchou is worth mentioning, as its able to threaten Koffing as well as Rock- and Ground-types that Nidorino can only hope to poison such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Butterfree tends to make for a fantastic partner as its able to remove Koffing with Psychic and use Sleep Powder against Pokemon that would other threaten Nidorino such as Chinchou and Shuppet. Nidorino struggles against special attackers so specially defensive Pokemon such as Castform, Dustox, Delcatty, and Sunflora are integral for providing it support.

I think it would be good to mention how special walls like grimer and dustox can be forced to come in to avoid poisoning stuff like rhyhorn, nosepass and cubone so it can chunk them for its special attacking teammates. just to add another reason why it has a niche

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Nidorino can opt to use Leftovers to increase its longevity and more easily damage switch ins but this heavily reduces its effectiveness as a physical wallbreaker. Double Kick is an option over Facade specfically for Substitute Magnemite, however Nidorino almost always prefers Facade should it get hit with Will-O-Wisp trying to weaken opposing Koffing for other physical wallbreakers.


Checks and Counters
===================

**Koffing**: Koffing is the most reliable pivot into Nidorino as it resists Sludge Bomb and is 3HKOed by Return. Koffing is able to cripple Nidorino's usefulness as a wallbreaker with Will-O-Wisp. While this does strengthen Facade, it still lacks the power to KO Koffing even after two uses of Return.

**Steel-types**: Aron and Magnemite can both switch into Nidorino if it's locked into Sludge Bomb and threaten it with Earthquake and Thunderbolt respectively. They both also make safe switch ins to Nidorino's Normal-type coverage moves. Both must be wary of Hidden Power Fighting however.

**Shuppet**: Shuppet is immune to Nidorino's Fighting- and Normal-type coverage. As a Substitute user it can easily be crippled by poison from Nidorino's Sludge Bomb which despite it being a resist to can still easily 2HKO.

**Protect Users**: Protect users such as Castform, Seaking, and Delcatty can all scout what move Nidorino locks itself into making it easier to switch into.

**Faster Attackers**: Elekid, Chinchou, and Aipom can all outspeed and threaten Nidorino with their STAB-boosted attacks.

**Ground-types**: While neither like being poisoned by Sludge Bomb Rhyhorn and Cubone can each threaten Nidorino with Earthquake.

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[BP]

Implemented and ready for GP! GP Team

 

[StupidFlandrs48]

Hello! This is an amcheck and not a formal GP check but I hope it still feels helpful! (You aren't required to implement anything I give)
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[SET]
name: Wallbreaker
move 1: Sludge Bomb
move 2: Return
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Facade
item: Choice Band
ability: Poison Point
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Nidorino sets itself apart from other Choice Band users thanks to its Poison(RH) typing, excellent Attack stat, and its rarely seen ability Poison Point. STAB-boosted Sludge Bomb proves to be is incredibly dangerous to switch into for non Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon due to its high chance to inflict poison. Rock- and Ground-type Pokemon, most notably Rhyhorn and Cubone, are dissuaded from switching in due to their tendency to use Substitute. (Maybe mention specifically why Sub users hate being poisoned? Might not immediately click for a newer player.) Return provides Nidorino with an option against opposing Poison-types that may attempt to switch in such as Dustox, Grimer(RC) and Koffing. Hidden Power Fighting allows Nidorino to threaten Steel-type Pokemon like Aron and Magnemite. Facade allows Nidorino to maintain its ability to do deal some semblance of damage even after being burned by Koffing. An Adamant nature is required over Jolly chosen to make full use of Nidorino's fantastic Attack; Moreover, a Jolly nature using Jolly doesn't allow enable Nidorino to outspeed anything notable.

Team Options
=============
Nidorino fits best on balance and offense teams that appreciate the likelihood of it spreading poison. Nidorino's access to Poison Point in conjunction with Sludge Bomb can open up opportunities for wallbreakers as well as and set(RS)up sweepers by poisoning bulkier Pokemon. Other physical attackers such as Aipom, Rhyhorn(RC) and Cubone appreciate Nidorino as a secondary breaker. Due to its lacking Speed, Nidorino appreciates Pokemon that use Thunder Wave help from Thunder Wave users such as Nosepass, Chinchou(RC) and Magnemite. Chinchou is worth mentioning deserves special mention, as it(AC)s able to threaten Koffing as well as Rock- and Ground-types that Nidorino can only hope to poison such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Butterfree tends to make makes for a fantastic partner as it(AC)s able to remove Koffing with Psychic and use Sleep Powder against Pokemon that would otherwise threaten Nidorino(AC) such as Chinchou and Shuppet. Nidorino struggles against special attackers(AC) so specially defensive Pokemon such as Castform, Dustox, Delcatty(RC) and Sunflora are integral for providing it support supporting it. Specially defensive Poison-types such as Dustox and Grimer are often forced to come in on Nidorino in fear of a Sludge Bomb(AC) so special attackers such as Elekid and Chinchou appreciate Nidorino's ability to weaken them with its Normal coverage.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Nidorino can opt to use Leftovers to increase its longevity and more easily damage switch ins but this heavily reduces its effectiveness as a physical wallbreaker. Double Kick is an option over Facade specfically specifically for Substitute Magnemite, however Nidorino almost always prefers Facade should it get hit in case it gets hit with Will-O-Wisp while trying to weaken opposing (I don't know about the meta but if Koffing isn't on every team you likely don't need to specify "opposing." Otherwise it's fine to keep) Koffing for other physical wallbreakers.


Checks and Counters
===================

**Koffing**: Koffing is the most reliable pivot into Nidorino(AC) as it resists Sludge Bomb and is only 3HKOed by Return. Koffing is able to cripple Nidorino's usefulness as a wallbreaker giving it time to cripple Nidorino with Will-O-Wisp. While this does strengthen Facade, it still lacks the power to KO Koffing even after two uses of Return.

**Steel-types**: Aron and Magnemite can both switch into Nidorino if it's locked into Sludge Bomb and threaten it with Earthquake and Thunderbolt respectively. They both also make safe switch ins to Nidorino's Normal-type coverage moves. Both must be wary of Hidden Power Fighting(AC) however.

**Shuppet**: Shuppet is immune to Nidorino's Fighting- and Normal-type coverage. However, as a Substitute user it can easily be crippled by poison from Nidorino's Sludge Bomb(AC) which despite it being a resist to can still easily 2HKO. which 2HKOes it despite resisting the move.

**Protect Users**: Protect users such as Castform, Seaking(RC) and Delcatty can all scout what the move Nidorino locks itself into(AC) making it easier to switch into.

**Faster Attackers**: Elekid, Chinchou(RC) and Aipom can all outspeed Nidorino and threaten Nidorino it with their STAB-boosted attacks.

**Ground-types**: While neither like being poisoned by Sludge Bomb(AC) Rhyhorn and Cubone can each severely threaten Nidorino with Earthquake.

[CREDITS]
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[Tea Guzzler]

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[SET]
name: Wallbreaker
move 1: Sludge Bomb
move 2: Return
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Facade
item: Choice Band
ability: Poison Point
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Nidorino sets itself apart from other Choice Band users thanks to its Poison(RH) typing, excellent Attack stat, and its rarely seen rarely-seen ability Poison Point. STAB-boosted Sludge Bomb proves to be is incredibly dangerous to switch into for non Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon due to its high chance to inflict poison. Rock- and Ground-type Pokemon, most notably Rhyhorn and Cubone, are dissuaded from switching in due to their tendency to use Substitute. (Maybe mention specifically why Sub users hate being poisoned? Might not immediately click for a newer player.) Return provides Nidorino with an option against opposing Poison-types that may attempt to switch in such as Dustox, Grimer, (ac) and Koffing. Hidden Power Fighting allows Nidorino to threaten Steel-type Pokemon like Aron and Magnemite. Facade allows Nidorino to maintain its ability to do deal some semblance of damage even after being burned by Koffing. An Adamant nature is required over Jolly chosen to make full use of Nidorino's fantastic Attack; Moreover, a Jolly nature using Jolly doesn't allow enable Nidorino to outspeed anything notable.

Nidorino fits best on balance and offense teams that appreciate the likelihood of it spreading poison. Nidorino's access to Poison Point in conjunction with Sludge Bomb can open up opportunities for wallbreakers as well as and set(RS)up sweepers by poisoning bulkier Pokemon. Other physical attackers such as Aipom, Rhyhorn, (ac) and Cubone appreciate Nidorino as a secondary breaker wallbreaker. Due to its lacking Speed, Nidorino appreciates Pokemon that use Thunder Wave help from Thunder Wave users such as Nosepass, Chinchou, (ac) and Magnemite. Chinchou is worth mentioning deserves a special mention, as its it's able to threaten Koffing as well as Rock- and Ground-types that Nidorino can only hope to poison such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Butterfree tends to make makes for a fantastic partner, (ac) as its it's able to remove Koffing with Psychic and use Sleep Powder against Pokemon that would otherwise threaten Nidorino(AC) such as Chinchou and Shuppet. Nidorino struggles against special attackers(AC) so specially defensive Pokemon such as Castform, Dustox, Delcatty, (ac) and Sunflora are integral for providing it support supporting it. Specially defensive Poison-types such as Dustox and Grimer are often forced to come in on Nidorino in fear of a Sludge Bomb(AC) so special attackers such as Elekid and Chinchou appreciate Nidorino's ability to weaken them with its Normal coverage.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Nidorino can opt to use Leftovers to increase its longevity and more easily damage switch ins, (ac) but this heavily reduces its effectiveness as a physical wallbreaker. Double Kick is an option over Facade specfically specifically for Substitute Magnemite, however Nidorino almost always prefers Facade should it get hit in case it gets hit with Will-O-Wisp while trying to weaken opposing (I don't know about the meta but if Koffing isn't on every team you likely don't need to specify "opposing." Otherwise it's fine to keep) Koffing for other physical wallbreakers.


Checks and Counters
===================

**Koffing**: Koffing is the most reliable pivot into Nidorino(AC) as it resists Sludge Bomb and is only 3HKOed by Return, (ac) . Koffing is able to cripple Nidorino's usefulness as a wallbreaker giving it time to cripple Nidorino with Will-O-Wisp. While this does strengthen Facade, it still lacks the power to KO Koffing even after two uses of Return.

**Steel-types**: Aron and Magnemite can both switch into Nidorino if it's locked into Sludge Bomb and threaten it with Earthquake and Thunderbolt respectively. They both also make safe switch ins switch-ins to Nidorino's Normal-type coverage moves. Both must be wary of Hidden Power Fighting(AC) however.

**Shuppet**: Shuppet is immune to Nidorino's Fighting- and Normal-type coverage. However, as a Substitute user it can easily be crippled by poison from Nidorino's Sludge Bomb(AC) which despite it being a resist to can still easily 2HKO. which 2HKOes it despite resisting the move.

**Protect Users**: Protect users such as Castform, Seaking, (ac) and Delcatty can all scout what the move Nidorino locks itself into(AC) making it easier to switch into.

**Faster Attackers**: Elekid, Chinchou, (ac) and Aipom can all outspeed Nidorino and threaten Nidorino it with their STAB-boosted attacks.

**Ground-types**: While neither like being poisoned by Sludge Bomb(AC) Rhyhorn and Cubone can each severely threaten Nidorino with Earthquake.

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gp 1/1 GP Team done
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notes for flandrs

• when making changes in the middle of a word (eg. remove space), it's usually more readable to have the (RS) or equivalent at the end of the word (ie. V-create (lower case c)). alternatively, you can just red the whole word and put the correction in blue (ie. V-Create V-create)
• when there's three or more things being listed, the second-to-last thing should have a comma after it (ie. Dustox, Grimer, and Koffing). for sentences made up of two independent clauses ("Butterfree tends to make for a fantastic partner, (ac) as it's able to remove Koffing with Psychic and use"), there should be a comma before the and/as/so/but etc.
• be sure to check the format the section uses before changing it. this post has the oldgen OMs format and it doesn't have a distinct team options header.
• regarding the opposing cut in other options, changes like this don't really solve any problem + opposing can be used in context to encountering the mon the analysis is about on the other team (eg. Miraidon enjoys the presence of Dialga-O to threaten opposing Miraidon). usually we aim to maintain writer voice wherever possible.