one by one
1. VR roles are messed up
· MMY is already a Spectral Thief bait so Simple sounds like a terrible option.
yeah honestly i would say that psychic surge and contrary sound like better boosters. fast +6 tail glow sounds ok tho. idk i wanna see this thing in action.
· Pixilate < Refrigerate on Primal Groudon because you can’t OHKO non-AV Zygarde-C variants without Ice moves.
the big difference between pixilate and refrigerate is that pixilate actually outdamages imposter. they have roughly 3x your bulk. ground judgment is 100*1.2*1.5*2=360, pixilate boomburst is 140*1.2/2=84, refrigerate boomburst is twice that at 168. this means that refrigerate pdon needs to run recovery or forgo boomburst to beat imposter 1v1. also most ate pdons run quiver dance from my experience allowing them to ko non unaware/av zyg
· Primal Groudon is also missing Adaptability which lets it OHKO other Pdon without boost or band
scarf adaptability sounds like a decent set i'd say, you kill mmy with p blades after rocks
252+ Atk Adaptability Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 362-428 (87 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
· Le Corrupt leader posted Tinted Lens Mray set in Creative and Underrated sets thread and I personally believe this is viable due to prevalent AV Solg.
agree
· Remove Magic Bounce from both Giratina and Zygarde-C, people spam Core Enforcer into their faces and they can’t manage to keep those abilities.
maybe keep bouncer zyg. bouncer giratina is not worth using imo because 50/50s with normalize is never fun
· Primal Kyogre’s Adaptability is worthy of mention due to:
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Audino-Mega: 384-452 (93.6 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel: 338-398 (92.8 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Solgaleo: 326-384 (68.2 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gyarados-Mega: 188-222 (47.7 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
This is not even Modest.
Remember how Lance lost his Audino to Jasprose’s Pogre in BH open?
man why use that when primordial sea exists ?_?
· Please remove Simple from MMX thanks
Remember how Quantum Tesseract lost his whole team to that Simple Mega Gengar in BH open?
:thinking:
· Just because Spectral Thief will be Normal-type doesn’t mean it is worth to give Regigigas crap ability of Normalize
yeah not really sold on this set like at all
· Silver_Lucario24 mentioned Tough Claws + Band set and it is one of the few physical attackers who can 2HKO FC Giratina. This is not common. I would add Tough Claws on Kyurem-B.
spell my name right you scrub
· Get rid of Unaware on Xerneas because it doesn’t have Moongeist Beam immunity like Audino does.
idk if either should remain actually. sunsteel weakness absolutely sucks on unaware and too many mons run sunsteel. thinkin it might pair well with fur coat giratina tho
· Why Water Absorb on Ttar when Water Bubble is banned?
after the last clc people discovered the hidden power of ash gren. fast enough to underspeed mmy, bulky enough to die to banded pdon thousand arrows, powerful enough to 2hko mega ray with ice beam. because of this water absorb ttar is a must on every good team to counter this centralizing force
· Can we please get Shedinja out of here
shed is actually pretty good, i think you're underrating it. magic bounce fairies with a sunsteel switchin just fix all its problems. here's a shed team if you want
https://pastebin.com/wLASj1Yw
· > Kangaskhan in Gen 7, I would say C for Crappy gimmick
i don't think you know what kanga does, it runs nature's madness/nightshade/espeed/recovery this gen which dismantles lots of defensive teams. if gengarite is banned kanga will get much better as something to fill its place.
· Add Tinted Lens on Kartana because Registeel happens
i don't think this deserves a mention over steelworker, like you can just run sunsteel/steel smacker/liquidation/horn leech and hit everything. with lens you fail to break zyg/gira
· My boy Kyurem-W doesn’t deserve Sheer Force.
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Kyurem-White Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 385-455 (76.3 - 90.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
This is pathetic. Use Refrigerate. It frees a slot for choice item. It does more damage.
agreed. kyuw has no real switchins with fridge specs anyway (except solga but blue flare is a 2hko). if it ain't broken don't fix it
· Please no Simple on Lunala, it is x4 weak to Spectral Thief and every competitive players will use it on our Nebby.
why does this exist
· Mega Heracross in D or unranked IMO because Giratina or Zygarde-C happens every time Heracross even switches in and Psychic Surge is very prevalent.
yeah triage hera isn't good. like if you want bug priority just use first impression on a better mon lol. the mon has potential tho
· Who even told you to add Eon Dragon when Soul Dew now became a junk
haven't used or seen this so idk what it does
· Why is Palkia in C rank when Reshiram also has Dragon-type and check Steel-types in addition.
palkia actually switches in on pdon somewhat consistently. like it takes a lot (252+ Atk Choice Band Tinted Lens Groudon-Primal V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Palkia: 244-288 (63.5 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) but it can run like fur coat, it doesn't straight up die to karrows, and it has that useful double water resistance. tbh i wouldn't compare the two
see below
"can't spell trash without ash" -hl
pretty sure you used a flash fire set earlier which is probably the set that gave it a rank. why isn't this worth ranking in your opinion?
· Pheromosa lost more than half of its ability to potentially OHKO stuff after full EV meta so remove from list IMO
mosa is kinda cool. bug fighting is really interesting especially when you outspeed mmy. this mon kinda has the power to choose its counters, like it can run steam eruption for pdon, sunsteel for fairies/shed, ice beam for ray/other dragons, close combat/focus miss for steels, knock off/moongeist for gengar, dragon ascent minimum defense to ko imposter. dazzling/sheer force/stakeout are all viable options on it. you never know what this mon is gonna do.
· >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pikachu, please don’t keep it on the list. Lucky Punch Imposter does better job with better bulk and the capability to bypass positive stat changes with crits which is better than Light Ball boost to almost every extent. @ Quantum Tesseract oops I slipped
we discussed this earlier, what do you disagree with in the arguments given?
· Again, why is Reshiram in D rank when Palkia is in C? Both of them are garbage nowadays but they are switched around I think.
i need to start using these. why do you think resh is overlooked?
2. Role Compendium
· Sheer Force Pdon is better than Sheer Force Kyu-W ngl
what is the set? blue flare/earth power/moonblast or something? why is it worth using over mmy?
· MMX and MMY should have Stakeout because no one else has sophisticated mixed offense stats and average bulk
agree
· Gyarados is much better doing something other than Tough Claws, namely PH / Unaware / Herb Smash
idk what this does so some clarification would be helpful
· Add Primal Groudon to Contrary (because I lost to that in BH open) because Fleur Cannon and Draco Meteor can punish its usual checks
agree. rocky helmet can be really obnoxious too because it's kinda imposter-proof
· Please get rid of Zygarde-C from Poison Heal list thanks
yeah idk. zyg is kinda slow but not that slow so some core enforcers underspeed it. still a very annoying mon
· Why is Marshadow in Triage when MMX is better in every way, STAB Spectral Thief doesn’t give it a niche BC it has to rely on speed tie against Imposters
the mon, the myth, the legend. people just see "physical triage user" and autopilot into giratina...
252+ Atk Choice Band Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 300-354 (59.5 - 70.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
you don't know the power of unburden gren.
+2 252+ Atk Greninja-Ash Power Trip (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Greninja-Ash: 183-216 (25.9 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
with prior damage (likely it will eat a u-turn due to its inability to threaten anything whatsoever) imprison sets actually get 2hko'd by struggle (~40% assuming herb) and lose the 1v1. gj
· Primal Groudon in Unburden list please and Mega Metagross
agree on pdon, not sure how metagross is tho
· Why is Luigia a good Regenvest when it has Stealth Rock weakness AND weakness to Moongeist Beam
haven't used
· Venusaur should not be Prankster because most Pranksters end up switching against -ate users or MMY for fast recovery
it switches in on xurkitree :^)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Galvanize Xurkitree Boomburst vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Venusaur-Mega: 178-210 (49 - 57.8%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
:^(
ngl tho venu is a pretty cool mon. it has the typing and spore immunity to counter every ph user, and it checks mega diancie, but unlike ferro it can evade magnet pull. very niche however
· > Alolan Muk when we have Mega Gyarados
don't dis my man sludgemon. you know how gyara has those annoying weaknesses to pivot moves? none of that. muk's niche is being the best mmy check in the game with regen vest ez
· >> Slowbro as Unaware when it is weak to Power Trip and Moongeist Beam
ok can i take a second to rant about how amazing mega slowbro would be if it didn't have that stupid psychic typing??? like it would just shrug off every physical hit ever and losing the moongeist weakness would be awesome. i agree with what you said, prankster bro is much better for power trip stuff
· I won’t say Registeel or Aegislash is Pogre check because they can’t stop boosted Ogre without being Prankster variants and leaving themselves passive
not necessarily, regen regi can core enforce ogre, aegi is just awful in general tho tbh lol
· Why is there “Zygod Checks” section when Zygarde-C has next to no offensive presence
a check is something that can win the 1v1. a list of stuff that can break zyg or just wall it like audino
· Lunala is imposterproofed but it will most likely die before it actually sets up
i can't be the only person who doesn't use spectral thief on everything and i hate lunala
· Dry Skin Flame Plate Judgment is such a garbage.
3. Don’t let this thread die