CaP Prevos - Syclar - Updates

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DHR-107

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Hi All,

With Privatyke nearing completion I thought I would jump in here and throw up a few things for Syclar which need to be sorted out. We'll run this similar to how the CaP Updates were done, with all the discussion taking place in the single thread and we can split off to vote in other threads.



Name: Syclar
Type: Ice / Bug
Abilities: Compoundeyes / Snow Cloak / <Undetermined Hidden Ability>
Stats:
40 HP / 76 Atk / 45 Def / 74 SpA / 39 SpD / 91 Spe
Evolves Via: Level Up at Level 30
Height: 0'08" (0.2m)
Weight: 8.8lbs (4.0kg)

Dex Entries said:
Syclar, the Icicle Pokémon.

Diamond: SYCLAR typically live at the feet of tall, snow-capped mountains. From the day they hatch, they aspire to someday scale the tallest of peaks.
Pearl: SYCLAR celebrate the onset of winter by coming out of their summer burrows and using their small, sharp claws to skate on the fresh river ice.
Platinum: Riding the gusts of blizzards, a swarm of SYCLAR is doubly harmful to even the hardiest of crops; they eat whatever plant matter the cold winds and snow leave untouched.
As Syclar is a Generation IV Pokemon, we need to set up a Hidden Ability and we also need to update his movepool to match Syclant's. I am more than happy to retain Ice Body as the HA for Syclar (to match Syclant's), but if people would like to have a different one I would be open to suggestions.

Here is Syclar's old movepool:
Level Up
Code:
Level Move
0 Fury Attack
0 Leer
5 Leech Life
8 Ice Shard
13 Focus Energy
18 Icy Wind
23 X-Scissor
28 Hail
35 Bug Buzz
42 Ice Beam
49 Sheer Cold

Evolve at Level 30 -> Ice Punch
Tutor Moves
Code:
Bug Bite
Counter
Earth Power
Fury Cutter
Icy Wind
Mimic
Snore
String Shot
Superpower
TM Moves
Code:
TM Move
TM03 Water Pulse
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM12 Taunt
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM32 Double Team
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM58 Endure
TM62 Silver Wind
TM72 Avalanche
TM75 Swords Dance
TM78 Captivate
TM81 X-Scissor
TM82 Sleep Talk
TM83 Natural Gift
TM87 Swagger
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute

HM01 Cut
EGG Moves
Code:
Earth Power
Pin Missile
Spikes
Superpower
Tail Glow
And LucarioOfLegends new Syclant movepool can be found here: CAP Updates: Syclant Discussion

Syclant got a fairly minor update into Gen 7, keeping his signature powerful combinations of Physical and Special sets. Syclant got the following added to its movepool:

Icicle Spear (Level Up), Absorb (Level Up, replaces Leech Life), Icicle Crash (Level Up), Fell Stinger (Egg), Signal Beam (Egg, Tutor), Round, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Frost Breath, Confide (All TMs), Hone Claws (Transfer move), Struggle Bug (Transfer move). <Please let me know if you spot any mistakes here, I think I got them all>

Due to some confusion here even though it's been said in every movepool thread I have ever created: Don't change the egg moves. These should be here:
Code:
Counter (Heracross)
Double-Edge (Heracross)
Earth Power
Fell Stinger (Beedrill)
Mimic (various mons in the Bug Egg group)
Pin Missile
Signal Beam (Galvantula)
Spikes
Superpower
Tail Glow
I'd like to add that if possible avoid adding in the Transfer moves to Syclar's movepool (I believe it can make some things act oddly in the Sim). Also make sure to switch Leech Life with Absorb. Let's not have Syclar being a death machine from Lv 0 thanks...

Otherwise, this works basically the exact same way as a normal movepool submission thread. I am allowing Final Submissions from the start of this thread, and you guys have a few days to discuss how you want things to be put together! Obviously do not add any other new moves other than those listed above. Please work from LucarioOfLegends movepool which was linked above as a baseline and compare it with Syclar's original movepool if you want too.

Also, please let me know if you would like to see the HA change at all from Syclant's. I am not sure if anyone is massively bothered by what it ends up being, but some consistency would be nice.
 
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Final submission i guess
Bug Bite
Counter
Earth Power
Fury Cutter
Icy Wind
Mimic
Snore
String Shot
Superpower


TM Moves
TM Move
TM03 Water Pulse
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM12 Taunt
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM32 Double Team
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM58 Endure
TM62 Silver Wind
TM72 Avalanche
TM75 Swords Dance
TM78 Captivate
TM81 X-Scissor
TM82 Sleep Talk
TM83 Natural Gift
TM87 Swagger
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
HM01 Cut


Level Move
0 Fury Attack
0 Leer
5 Absorb
8 Ice Shard
13 Focus Energy
18 Icy Wind
23 X-Scissor
28 Hail
35 Bug
Buzz
42 Ice Beam
49 Sheer Cold
level up move 30 -> Ice Punch


Earth Power
Counter (Heracross)
Double-Edge (Heracross)

Pin Missile
Spikes
Fell Stinger (Beedrill)
Signal Beam (Galvantula)
Superpower
Tail Glow
Mimic (various mons in the Bug Egg group)


Captivate (G4 TM78)
Cut (HM01)
Endure (G4 TM56)
Hone Claws (G5/6 TM01)
Natural Gift (G4 TM83)
Rock Smash (G4/ORAS HM06 / G5/XY TM94)
Secret Power (G4 TM43 / ORAS TM94)
Strength (HM04)
String Shot (G4 Tutor)
Struggle Bug (G5/6 TM76)
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ice body really works
 
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Final Submission!
0 Leer
0 Absorb
5 Ice Shard
10 Focus Energy
14 Fury Attack
19 Icy Wind
23 Fury Cutter
28 Slash
31 X-Scissor
34 Hail
39 Icicle Crash
43 Bug Buzz
48 Avalanche
55 Sheer Cold

Evolve at Level 30 -> Ice Punch

Explanation of removal of Icicle Spear:I took out Icicle Spear for 2 main reasons. The first was that I feel it would be more suited to its evolution, as Syclant doesn't have many exclusive moves in its level up moveswt, and taking away a powerful base move could fix this. The second, is that Icicle Spear is incredibly powerful move in Little Cup, abusing odd rolls to break through targets easier than say Icicle Crash. It is also able to break Focus Sash and Sturdy users, what are usually emergency stops to sweepers. Syclar is a sweeper, and I feel giving it a move like Icicle Spear would be bad for the CAP LC meta.
Bug Bite
Earth Power
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Signal Beam
Snore
Superpower
Water Pulse
TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM12 Taunt
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM28 Leech Life
TM32 Double Team
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM68 Giga Impact
TM72 Avalanche
TM75 Swords Dance
TM79 Frost Breath
TM81 X-Scissor
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM100 Confide
Counter
Double-Edge
Earth Power
Fell Stinger
Mimic
Pin Missile
Signal Beam
Spikes
Superpower
Tail Glow
Captivate
Cut
Endure
Hone Claws
Natural Gift
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Strength
String Shot
Struggle Bug

Ice Body makes sense.
 
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Even though I am not submitting a movepool update, I would like to say that Ice Body is a great flavor Ability on Syclar in addition to Syclant, and it does not need to change.
 

LucarioOfLegends

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Yeah, Ice Body is a hella sweet addition to Syclar. Kinda keeps its hail themed ability trend going.

Final Submission

0 Leer
0 Absorb
5 Ice Shard
10 Focus Energy
14 Fury Attack
19 Icy Wind
23 Fury Cutter
28 Slash

31 X-Scissor
36 Hail
40 Bug Buzz
45 Ice Beam
49 Sheer Cold

Evolve at Level 30 -> Ice Punch

So, adapted the levels to a 4-5 leveling similar to its big brother Syclant, since levels make more sense that way. Leech Life to Absorb needs no real explanation, since its a request by DHR. Fury Cutter and Slash fit fairly well thanks to its Pokedex entries, so I thought it wouldn't hurt if it got it to mix well with X-Scissor. As for Icicle Spear, Icicle Crash, Rock Climb, and Avalanche, I simply felt like they didn't fit Syclar, even though they fit Syclant. Syclar has no mention of any ability to fire icicles like Syclant can, hence why no Icicle Spear of Icicle Crash. It also doesn't climb mountains, just dreams about it. Hence, it can't really replicate Avalanche and Rock Climb, since it hasn't experienced them.

Counter (Heracross)
Double-Edge (Heracross)
Earth Power
Fell Stinger (Beedrill)
Mimic (various mons in the Bug Egg group)
Pin Missile
Signal Beam (Galvantula)
Spikes
Superpower
Tail Glow

Can't touch this. Breaks into song

TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM12 Taunt
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM28 Leech Life
TM32 Double Team
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM72 Avalanche
TM75 Swords Dance
TM79 Frost Breath
TM81 X-Scissor
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM100 Confide

Pretty much the updated Syclant TM list made for the baby (AKA no Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Earthquake, Rock Slide and Stone Edge). Other than that, Round and Confide are mandatory, while Frost Breath fits with its general theme of Syclar, and kinda fits with dex number three. No Bulldoze because it doesn't have Earthquake, and no Brutal Swing cause I honestly can't see this thing swinging brutally.

Bug Bite
Earth Power
Icy Wind
Signal Beam
Snore
Superpower
Water Pulse

Removed the gen 3 and 4 tutors of course to put them in other places, and added Water Pulse and Signal Beam cause they fit kinda nicely on it. No Focus Punch cause it can't punch things.

Captivate
Cut
Endure
Hone Claws
Natural Gift
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Strength
String Shot
Struggle Bug
 
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G-Luke

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Final Submission

0 Icicle Spear
0 Leer
0 Absorb
5 Ice Shard
9 Focus Energy
14 Fury Attack
18 Icy Wind
23 Slash
27 Fury Cutter

32 X-Scissor
36 Hail
41 Bug Buzz
45 Ice Beam
50 Sheer Cold


Counter (Heracross)
Double-Edge (Heracross)
Earth Power
Fell Stinger (Beedrill)
Mimic (various mons in the Bug Egg group)
Pin Missile
Signal Beam (Galvantula)
Spikes
Superpower
Tail Glow


TM06 Toxic
TM07 Hail
TM10 Hidden Power
TM12 Taunt
TM13 Ice Beam
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM28 Leech Life
TM32 Double Team
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM48 Round
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM72 Avalanche
TM75 Swords Dance
TM79 Frost Breath
TM81 X-Scissor
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM100 Confide


Bug Bite
Earth Power
Icy Wind
Signal Beam
Snore
Superpower
Water Pulse


Captivate
Cut
Endure
Hone Claws
Natural Gift
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Strength
String Shot
Struggle Bug
 

DHR-107

Robot from the Future
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Hey guys,

I'm giving you about a 24 hour warning to get those Final Subs up! Also it looks like at the moment we are going to stick with Ice Body for the HA which is all good!
 
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