Gyarados (Analysis)

[JRank]

Gyarados

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[Overview]

<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its crippling 4x weakness to Electric-type attacks. Although its weakness to Electric-type moves holds Gyarados back, it is not the weakling one may think. A fantastic ability in Intimidate allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game such as Hitmontop and Weavile while also backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An excellent Attack stat further complements Gyarados's capabilities, especially since Water is a great offensive type. All of this sets Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados requires some form of offense. Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and is boosted by STAB, so it hits hard and also has a useful 20% chance to flinch. Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes, and allows Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly 'ParaFlinch' combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that, although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat off-putting. Taunt is a great move for this set, allowing it to cripple common setup Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, when set up, turns Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves such as Abomasnow, and is Gyarados's best bet against Zapdos. Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses include stalling out Trick Room, shielding Gyarados from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those that are physically-based. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed in order to guarantee that it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados is hard-pressed to do anything if it cannot take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers, such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game; it lowers both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this, Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile, in particular, works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Rock-type moves Weavile loathes, while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supporting Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't eat its cake, too. An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the Moxie ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World can allow it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head—and not worry as much about accuracy—though Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Poke Ball for a rest, unless Zapdos is critically low on health to begin with. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, providing a much appreciated boost in power, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, can take Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry, it will be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, especially Gastrodon and Abomasnow, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

 

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Is there a specific reasoning behind these EVs?

 

[JRank]

Written and ready for QC.

 

[muffinhead]

yep qc 1 / 2

 

[Solace]

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jrank :D

 

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[Overview]

<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its detrimental weakness to electricity. Being 4x weak to Electric-types moves does hold Gyarados back, but it is not the weakling one may think. A fantastic ability in Intimidate, which allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game, such as Hitmontop and Weavile, while backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An above-average Attack stat further complements Gyarados's abilities, and Water is a great attacking offensive type, too. All of this sets Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados has to have some way to attack!.[add period] Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and its Water-type meaning it is STAB-boosted, so it hits hard and has a 20% chance to flinch as well, too!.[add period] Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of Speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes by up to 75% of their original Speed, while also allowing Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly "ParaFlinch" combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that, although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat be off-putting. Taunt is a major looking point for this set, allowing it to cripple common set up Pokemon, such as like Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, if set up, would turn Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Water-immune Pokemon immune to Water-type moves, such as Gastrodon Vaporeon?, and is Gyarados's best bet against Zapdos (Seeing as Gastrodon resists Stone Edge, something else is suggested. I don't play VGC though, so Vaporeon is just a suggestion, feel free to change it or change the whole sentence to Pokemon that resists Water). Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses, such as stalling out Trick Room, shielding itself from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP, make it earn its comparison.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those of physical origin. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed to guarantee it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt before Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados would be hard-pressed to do anything if it could not take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers,[add comma] such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game, lowering both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile in particular works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Fighting-type moves Weavile loathes, while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supportive Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't have eat its cake, too. An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World, Moxie, allows it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head, though unless Zapdos is critically low on health, Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Pokeball for a rest. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, with a boost in power Gyarados would appreciate, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB for its other type, Flying, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, takes Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry it would be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, Gastrodon and Abomasnow especially, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

Just fix the Stone Edge thing and this is:

GP Approved 1/2

 

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[Overview]

<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its detrimental weakness to electricity. Being 4x weak to Electric-types moves does hold Gyarados back, but it is not the weakling one may think. A fantastic ability in Intimidate, which allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game, such as Hitmontop and Weavile, while backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An above-average Attack stat further complements Gyarados's abilities, and Water is a great attacking offensive type, too. All of this sets Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados has to have some way to attack!.[add period] Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and its Water-type meaning it is STAB-boosted, so it hits hard and has a 20% chance to flinch as well, too!.[add period] Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of Speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes by up to 75% of their original Speed, while also allowing Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly "ParaFlinch" combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that, although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat be off-putting. Taunt is a major looking point for this set, allowing it to cripple common set up Pokemon, such as like Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, if set up, would turn Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Water-immune Pokemon immune to Water-type moves, such as Gastrodon Vaporeon?, and is Gyarados's best bet against Zapdos (Seeing as Gastrodon resists Stone Edge, something else is suggested. I don't play VGC though, so Vaporeon is just a suggestion, feel free to change it or change the whole sentence to Pokemon that resists Water). Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses, such as stalling out Trick Room, shielding itself from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP, make it earn its comparison.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those of physical origin. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed to guarantee it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt before Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados would be hard-pressed to do anything if it could not take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers,[add comma] such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game, lowering both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile in particular works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Fighting-type moves Weavile loathes, while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supportive Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't have eat its cake, too. An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World, Moxie, allows it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head, though unless Zapdos is critically low on health, Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Pokeball for a rest. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, with a boost in power Gyarados would appreciate, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB for its other type, Flying, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, takes Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry it would be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, Gastrodon and Abomasnow especially, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

Just fix the Stone Edge thing and this is:

GP Approved 1/2

Got everything in, thanks. I changed the sentence about Stone Edge to "...to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves such as Abomasnow." Also lol Vaporeon

 

[JockeMS]

Hey, hey, hey. Fix this:

If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves,[add comma] such as Abomasnow, and is Gyarados's best bet against Zapdos.(Ice Fang is not the best move to use against Zapdos. I even wonder why Ice Fang is in OO in the first place)

And don't lol me, I don't know anything about this metagame. :/

 

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[Overview]

<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its detrimental weakness to electricity. Being 4x weak to Electric-type moves does hold Gyarados back, but it is not the weakling one may think. It has a A fantastic ability in Intimidate, which allows it Gyarados to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game, such as Hitmontop and Weavile, while backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An above-average Attack stat further complements Gyarados's abilities, and Water is a great offensive type. All of this set Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados has to have some way to attack. Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and its Water-type meaning it is STAB-boosted, so it hits hard and has a 20% chance to flinch as well, too. Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of Speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes by up to 75% of their previous original Speed, while also allowing Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly "ParaFlinch" combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that, although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat off-putting. Taunt is a major looking point for this set, allowing it to cripple common set up Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, if set up, would turn Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves, such as Abomasnow. Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses, such as include (otherwise repetitive) stalling out Trick Room, shielding itself from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP., and make it earn its comparison.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those of physical origin. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed to guarantee it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados would be hard-pressed to do anything if it could not take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers, such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game, lowering both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile in particular works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Fighting-type moves Weavile loathes (Fighting moves will surely OHKO regardless?), while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supportive Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't eat its cake, too. An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the Moxie ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World, Moxie, can allows it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head, though unless Zapdos is critically low on health, Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Poke Ball Pokeball for a rest, unless Zapdos is critically low on health to begin with. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, providing a much appreciated with a boost in power Gyarados would appreciate, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, take Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry it would be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves will go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, especially Gastrodon and Abomasnow especially, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

 

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<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its crippling 4x detrimental weakness to Electric-type attacks electricity. Although its weakness to Being 4x weak to Electric-type moves does holds Gyarados back, but it is not the weakling one may think. Gyarados A fantastic ability in Intimidate, which allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game, such as Hitmontop and Weavile, while backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An above-average Attack stat further complements Gyarados's abilities, and Water is a great offensive type (weirdly worded, but not incorrect). All of this sets Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados requires has to have some form of way to attack. Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and its Water-type meaning it is boosted by STAB-boosted, so it hits hard and has a 20% chance to flinch as well, too. Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of Speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes by up to 75% of their original Speed[/B], and while also allows allowing Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly 'ParaFlinch' (single quotations) combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that (again, weirdly worded, though I don't know how to change it without completely changing the sentence), although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat off-putting. Taunt is a great move major looking point (what does that even mean??) for this set, allowing it to cripple common setup (setup = adj. set up = verb, set-up = noun) Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, when if set up, would turns Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves, such as Abomasnow. Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses, such as include (otherwise repetitive) stalling out Trick Room, shielding itself from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP., and make it earn its comparison.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those that are of physically-based origin. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed to guarantee it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados would be hard-pressed to do anything if it could not take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers, such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game, lowering both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile in particular works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Fighting-type moves Weavile loathes (Fighting moves will surely OHKO regardless?), while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supportive Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't eat its cake, too. An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the Moxie ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World, Moxie, can allows it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head, though unless Zapdos is critically low on health, Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Poke Ball Pokeball for a rest, unless Zapdos is critically low on health to begin with. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, providing a much appreciated with a boost in power Gyarados would appreciate, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, take Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry it would be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves will go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, especially Gastrodon and Abomasnow especially, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

GP 2/3

Unfortunately, there were many instances of awkward prose, even after SuperJOCKE, twash, and my check. I'm going to have to ask the OP to rewrite some parts of this analysis, and after that, PM me, and I or another GP member will have another look over it before this is complete.

Again, sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[JRank]

Hey, hey, hey. Fix this:

why won't it quote what I said here but something about Stone Edge

And don't lol me, I don't know anything about this metagame. :/

Oops, missed that when I was rewording it the first time, sorry! Ice Fang has higher accuracy than Stone Miss if you want that, and is Gyarados's only way to hit Dragon-types. That is why it is in the analysis.

Working over twash's check, same formatting

once again it won't quote what he quoted >__>

GP 2/3

Unfortunately, there were many instances of awkward prose, even after SuperJOCKE, twash, and my check. I'm going to have to ask the OP to rewrite some parts of this analysis, and after that, PM me, and I or another GP member will have another look over it before this is complete.

Again, sorry for the inconvenience.

Implemented and I have PM'd you, but there were a few instance where I as confused on what to put.

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Gyarados A fantastic ability in Intimidate, which allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game, such as Hitmontop and Weavile, while backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves.

If I replaced A with Gyarados, the sentence would read "Gyarados fantastic ability...", that doesn't make sense, what should I change it to? Also, I already have the word it where you have bolded it, was that a mistake or did I need to change something else?

-On the sentence involving Weavile and Fighting-type moves, I changed it to Rock-type moves, because after an Intimidate it can take a Rock Slide (because in doubles the power of spread moves is dropped to 75%), though you're correct in that it probably couldn't handle even a -1 Fighting-type move.

 

[Rakan]

I have responded to you, JRank, and will take another look at this sometime tonight or early tomorrow and get everything clarified.

 

[breh]

Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses include stalling out Trick Room, shielding itself from damage

shouldn't "itself" be "Gyarados"? itself refers to Protect, not Gyarados.

 

[JockeMS]

Oops, missed that when I was rewording it the first time, sorry! Ice Fang has higher accuracy than Stone Miss if you want that, and is Gyarados's only way to hit Dragon-types. That is why it is in the analysis.

I think 100 BP / 80 Acc beats 65 BP / 95 Acc when it comes to Zapdos. I think, but I'm not sure, Zapdos can surivive 2 Ice Fangs.

 

[JRank]

Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses include stalling out Trick Room, shielding itself from damage

shouldn't "itself" be "Gyarados"? itself refers to Protect, not Gyarados.

Changed.

I think 100 BP / 80 Acc beats 65 BP / 95 Acc when it comes to Zapdos. I think, but I'm not sure, Zapdos can surivive 2 Ice Fangs.

1) It went through QC perfectly fine. Unless you have extensive VGC experience, I would ask you not to try and make changes to the content, only to the grammar.

2) It is an option, an option. Some people may be so afraid of a miss that they would resort to a weaker power move, and those people need to know there is an option. Ice Fang is also there for Dragon-types, so yes, it should be in the analysis.

 

[JockeMS]

I never said Ice Fang shouldn't be in there, I said Stone Edge is the best option against Zapdos... It shouldn't be any difference between OU and VGC. Why can't you just add that small part, as your OO makes it sound like Ice Fang is the best option (Ice Fang is likely to miss as well, y'know). Why so stubborn? And you're extremely rude. I just say something that's common sense in the other tiers, and you haven't proved that it doesnt apply in VGC.

 

[JRank]

I never said Ice Fang shouldn't be in there, I said Stone Edge is the best option against Zapdos... It shouldn't be any difference between OU and VGC. Why can't you just add that sentence, as your OO makes it sound like Ice Fang is the best option (Ice Fang is likely to miss as well, y'know). And you're extremely rude. I just say something that's common sense in the other tiers, and you haven't proved that it doesnt apply in VGC.

Sentence now reads: "Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head—and not worry as much about accuracy—though Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Poke Ball for a rest, unless Zapdos is critically low on health to begin with."

Sorry for my rudeness, I thought I had already explained Ice Fang earlier, but I see what you meant now and that it was different from what I thought.

EDIT: Ice Fang does indeed not 2HKO Zapdos, I thought it did, which caused this. Again I'm sorry :/

 

[JockeMS]

Still not seeing how Ice Fang is better against Zapdos than Stone Edge.

 

[JRank]

It's not! That's why I changed the sentence, to show that it could be used if you didn't want to worry (as much) about accuracy. I am not claiming that Ice Fang is a better option against Zapdos. (although with Gyarados vs Zapdos you probably won't win anyway)

 

[JockeMS]

I didn't see your edits. But it's all good now.

 

[Zystral]

[Overview]

<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its crippling 4x weakness to Electric-type attacks. Although its weakness to Electric-type moves holds Gyarados back, it is not the weakling one may think. A fantastic ability in Intimidate, which allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game, such as Hitmontop and Weavile, while also backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An above-average Attack stat further complements Gyarados's abilities, and Water is a great offensive type. All of this sets Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados requires some form of attack. Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and is boosted by STAB, so it hits hard and has a 20% chance to flinch as well. Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes, and allows Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly 'ParaFlinch' combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that, although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat off-putting. Taunt is a great move for this set, allowing it to cripple common setup Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, when set up, turns Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves such as Abomasnow, and is Gyarados's best bet against Zapdos. Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses include stalling out Trick Room, shielding Gyarados from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those that are physically-based. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed to guarantee it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados would be hard-pressed to do anything if it could not take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers, such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game, lowering both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile in particular works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Rock-type moves Weavile loathes, while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supportive Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't eat its cake, too. An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the Moxie ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World, can allow it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head—and not worry as much about accuracy—though Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Poke Ball for a rest, unless Zapdos is critically low on health to begin with. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, providing a much appreciated boost in power, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, take Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry, it would be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, especially Gastrodon and Abomasnow, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

2/2 approved

 

[JRank]

Put in Zystral's changes, but after talking with him I am waiting on Omicron's last look to put this on-site.

 

[Rakan]

wait for it... :)

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[Overview]

<p>With Zapdos being the most used Pokemon in VGC 2012, one may look at Gyarados and immediately write it off due to its crippling 4x weakness to Electric-type attacks. Although its weakness to Electric-type moves holds Gyarados back, it is not the weakling one may think. A fantastic ability in Intimidate allows it to shut down some of the top physical attackers in the game such as Hitmontop and Weavile while also backing up its teammates even further with a variety of supporting moves. An excellent above-average (Gyarados's Attack is much better than "above-average") Attack stat further complements Gyarados's capabilities, especially since and Water is a great offensive type. All of this sets Gyarados up to do great things in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Intimidate Support
move 1: Waterfall
move 2: Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
move 3: Taunt / Stone Edge
move 4: Protect
item: Wacan Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Utilizing Intimidate to support its teammates is what Gyarados does best. Coupled with its strong supporting moves, this set allows Gyarados to be the ultimate team player. While one may immediately start to pick out supporting moves like a kid looking at ice cream toppings, Gyarados requires some form of offense attack. Waterfall is arguably Gyarados's best attacking move, and is boosted by STAB, so it hits hard and also has a useful 20% chance to flinch as well. Gyarados isn't exactly the epitome of speed, so Thunder Wave gives it the ability to slow down foes, and allows Gyarados to imitate Togekiss's deadly 'ParaFlinch' combo. If one prefers to slow down two Pokemon at once, Icy Wind does just that, although its slightly lower accuracy may be somewhat off-putting. Taunt is a great move for this set, allowing it to cripple common setup Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Dusclops. This allows Gyarados to function as a decent Trick Room counter, which, when set up, turns Gyarados's Speed-dropping moves back on itself. If one does not fear Trick Room, Stone Edge provides an additional attacking option, allowing Gyarados to hit Pokemon resistant to Water-type moves such as Abomasnow, and is Gyarados's best bet against Zapdos. Protect has been called the Swiss Army Knife of VGC, and that is a perfect representation. Its numerous uses include stalling out Trick Room, shielding Gyarados from damage, and allowing weather conditions to take down a Pokemon low on HP.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread is enough to make one's head itch intensely, but do not fear, it has its place. Maximum HP EVs allow Gyarados to tank most attacks with ease, especially those that are physically-based. The 140 Defense EVs further boost Gyarados's physical capabilities, as do the 52 EVs invested in Attack. The 20 Special Defense EVs guarantee that it can survive a Zapdos's Thunderbolt, provided a Wacan Berry is used. The remaining 44 EVs are put in Speed in order to guarantee that it outspeeds 4 Speed Cresselia, so it can Taunt Cresselia before it can do anything. The aforementioned Wacan Berry is the main item on this set, and for good reason: Gyarados is would be hard-pressed to do anything if it could cannot take an Electric-type attack. If one wishes to avoid type-resist berries, Gyarados can utilize a Lum Berry to great effect, making it a great switch-in to common status abusers, such as Cresselia and Amoonguss.</p>

<p>Intimidate is one of the best abilities in the game;, (add semicolon, remove comma) it lowers lowering both opponents' Attack stats when Gyarados switches in. Because of this, (add comma) Gyarados makes a great partner for many Pokemon that would normally have trouble with physical attackers. Weavile, (add comma) in particular, (add comma) works well with Gyarados, appreciating the drop in power from opposing Rock-type moves Weavile loathes, while using its STAB Ice Punch to take on Zapdos and Thundurus, two of Gyarados's biggest counters. Gyarados's Flying-type allows its partner to utilize Earthquake without worrying about damaging Gyarados, further bolstering its role as a supporting Pokemon.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>While Gyarados is definitely a great pick for providing support, no one said it can't eat its cake, too (I don't understand this phrase, but if others do, then so be it). An attacking set based around Dragon Dance is a viable option, and the Moxie ability Gyarados receives from the Dream World, (remove comma) can allow it to rampage through teams after a single Dragon Dance. Ice Fang could be used if one wants to try to take on Zapdos head-to-head—and not worry as much about accuracy—though Gyarados is going to wind up being recalled to its Poke Ball for a rest, unless Zapdos is critically low on health to begin with. If a more attacking-oriented set is used, Aqua Tail is a viable alternative to Waterfall, providing a much appreciated boost in power, though it has less-than-perfect accuracy and loses out on the flinch chance. Bounce provides Gyarados with a secondary STAB, though it requires a turn to charge and the opponent can easily avoid it with Protect, reducing its effectiveness.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Zapdos has been mentioned several times previously, and with good reason. In most circumstances, Zapdos, and almost any Electric-type, can take Gyarados down with ease. Their STAB Electric moves are 4x super effective on Gyarados, and even with a Wacan Berry, it will would be hard-pressed to take more than one attack. Rock-types that switch in on Gyarados, bypassing its Intimidate, hit hard with their STAB Rock Slide, though Gyarados can threaten with its own super effective Waterfall. Pokemon that are immune to or resist Water-type moves go a long way towards stopping Gyarados, especially Gastrodon and Abomasnow, though the latter must watch out for Gyarados carrying Stone Edge.</p>

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