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Latias (Life Orb Tank)
- Thread starter RaikouLover
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EDIT: Disregard this post, I for some reason thought he had implemented the previous check. welp.
Been calcing about on the original spread and you could try the following if you really don't want to die from Lucario's SD'd Life Orb'd Extremespeed in the sand and want to get the magical number with Modest Latias when packing HP Fire:
EVs: 112 HP / 24 Def / 192 SAtk / 180 Spd
112 HP & 24 Def EV's provide the same outcome as the 152 HP EV's Latias (you survive the attack + Life Orb recoil + Sand at 1 HP) while providing you some spare EV's to pump into SAtk & hit the magical number. This build provides 16 spare EV's when compared to the HP only spread (12 Ev's after adding 4 to SAtk to obtain 330).
This is very specific compared to the original format in the first post, but could work for the people that absolutely want to survive Lucario's blow and obtain the SAtk threshold. Doubt losing 10 HP will have that much of an impact on the special side defensive-wise.
Just my 2 cents about it all, keep up the great content!
EVs: 112 HP / 24 Def / 192 SAtk / 180 Spd
112 HP & 24 Def EV's provide the same outcome as the 152 HP EV's Latias (you survive the attack + Life Orb recoil + Sand at 1 HP) while providing you some spare EV's to pump into SAtk & hit the magical number. This build provides 16 spare EV's when compared to the HP only spread (12 Ev's after adding 4 to SAtk to obtain 330).
This is very specific compared to the original format in the first post, but could work for the people that absolutely want to survive Lucario's blow and obtain the SAtk threshold. Doubt losing 10 HP will have that much of an impact on the special side defensive-wise.
Just my 2 cents about it all, keep up the great content!
Sorry for the delay. End of school semester. Implemented first grammar check. Feel free to rip it apart!
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GP Approved 2/2
[SET]
Name: Life Orb Tank
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Surf
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Refresh
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 152 HP / 176 SpA / 180 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While most conventional Latias sets attempt to support or sweep over a long period of time, this set turns Latias into an immediate offensive threat. This Latias will still provide a useful defensive pivot, (comma) but can also while maintaining offensive momentum. Draco Meteor is the main weapon in Latias's arsenal, dealing heavy damage to anything that does not resist it. Surf provides excellent neutral coverage alongside Draco Meteor, and is a safe opening move that won't lower your sSpecial aAttack. It should be noted that the combination of Surf followed up with Draco Meteor can help with Latias's Pursuit weakness, as it will always 2HKO a 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Recover allows Latias to switch in multiple times during the course of a match and mitigates Life Orb recoil.</p>
<p>The final slot can be tailored to fit each team's needs by providing either better coverage or team support. Hidden Power Fire is a the primary option because it cleanly OHKOs all forms of Scizor. Because Latias is such a safe Rotom switch-(hyphen)in, Latias can be used to break U-turn / Volt Switch chains because Rotom-(hyphen)W will almost always Volt switch to Scizor against Latias. Hidden Power Fire also allows Latias to avoid being completely walled by Ferrothorn, provided it is not raining. Hidden Power Fighting can 2HKO most Tyranitar and can also hit Ferrothorn regardless of weather conditions, but misses out on OHKOing Scizor. Thunderbolt adds more neutral coverage and allows Latias to better handle Skarmory, Gyarados, and other bulky waters. Refresh and Psycho Shift are good options if your team needs something to absorb status. Refresh is generally more reliable, but Psycho Shift can inflict a poison, burn, or paralysis onto a troublesome foe. Meanwhile, (comma) Wish, Reflect, Roar, and Thunder Wave can be used to help fulfill the need for additional team support.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread optimizes Latias's role as a bulky, hard hitting tank. 152 HP EVs yields 339 HP, providing a healthy amount of bulk at and an optimal Life Orb number. The 180 Speed EVs allow Latias to reach a sSpeed stat of 300 with Hidden Power Fire, which is just enough to outspeed neutral-(hyphen)natured base 100s. For those worried about Salamence or not being able to Speed tie tying with Latios and other Latias, a Timid nature can be used with either the same spread or a standard 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe build. However, this spread will force you to sacrifice either power or bulk.</p>
<p>Because this Latias is more offensively orientated, it requires different team support than the standard Latias to maximize its effectiveness. Like most special attackers, Latias has no way of breaking through the fat pink blobs: (colon) , (comma) Blissey and Chansey. Anything that can lure out and defeat them, (comma) such as Trickers, Psycho Shock Psyshock English names users, or Fighting-pokemon that can shrug off status, (comma) make great teammates for this set. With Hidden Power Fire, most Steel-types are less of an issue, but Latias is still hard pressed to do any kind of damage to Special Defensive Jirachi, Metagross, and Bronzong. These Pokemon are all trapped relatively easily by Magnezone, or defeated by Earthquake-(hyphen)wielding Dragon Dancers, (comma) such as like Salamence, Haxorus, and Gyarados.</p>
Name: Life Orb Tank
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Surf
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Refresh
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 152 HP / 176 SpA / 180 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While most conventional Latias sets attempt to support or sweep over a long period of time, this set turns Latias into an immediate offensive threat. This Latias will still provide a useful defensive pivot, (comma) but can also while maintaining offensive momentum. Draco Meteor is the main weapon in Latias's arsenal, dealing heavy damage to anything that does not resist it. Surf provides excellent neutral coverage alongside Draco Meteor, and is a safe opening move that won't lower your sSpecial aAttack. It should be noted that the combination of Surf followed up with Draco Meteor can help with Latias's Pursuit weakness, as it will always 2HKO a 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Recover allows Latias to switch in multiple times during the course of a match and mitigates Life Orb recoil.</p>
<p>The final slot can be tailored to fit each team's needs by providing either better coverage or team support. Hidden Power Fire is a the primary option because it cleanly OHKOs all forms of Scizor. Because Latias is such a safe Rotom switch-(hyphen)in, Latias can be used to break U-turn / Volt Switch chains because Rotom-(hyphen)W will almost always Volt switch to Scizor against Latias. Hidden Power Fire also allows Latias to avoid being completely walled by Ferrothorn, provided it is not raining. Hidden Power Fighting can 2HKO most Tyranitar and can also hit Ferrothorn regardless of weather conditions, but misses out on OHKOing Scizor. Thunderbolt adds more neutral coverage and allows Latias to better handle Skarmory, Gyarados, and other bulky waters. Refresh and Psycho Shift are good options if your team needs something to absorb status. Refresh is generally more reliable, but Psycho Shift can inflict a poison, burn, or paralysis onto a troublesome foe. Meanwhile, (comma) Wish, Reflect, Roar, and Thunder Wave can be used to help fulfill the need for additional team support.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread optimizes Latias's role as a bulky, hard hitting tank. 152 HP EVs yields 339 HP, providing a healthy amount of bulk at and an optimal Life Orb number. The 180 Speed EVs allow Latias to reach a sSpeed stat of 300 with Hidden Power Fire, which is just enough to outspeed neutral-(hyphen)natured base 100s. For those worried about Salamence or not being able to Speed tie tying with Latios and other Latias, a Timid nature can be used with either the same spread or a standard 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe build. However, this spread will force you to sacrifice either power or bulk.</p>
<p>Because this Latias is more offensively orientated, it requires different team support than the standard Latias to maximize its effectiveness. Like most special attackers, Latias has no way of breaking through the fat pink blobs: (colon) , (comma) Blissey and Chansey. Anything that can lure out and defeat them, (comma) such as Trickers, Psycho Shock Psyshock English names users, or Fighting-pokemon that can shrug off status, (comma) make great teammates for this set. With Hidden Power Fire, most Steel-types are less of an issue, but Latias is still hard pressed to do any kind of damage to Special Defensive Jirachi, Metagross, and Bronzong. These Pokemon are all trapped relatively easily by Magnezone, or defeated by Earthquake-(hyphen)wielding Dragon Dancers, (comma) such as like Salamence, Haxorus, and Gyarados.</p>
GP Approved 2/2
[SET]
Name: Life Orb Tank
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Surf
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Refresh
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 152 HP / 176 SpA / 180 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While most conventional Latias sets attempt to support or sweep over a long period of time, this set turns Latias into an immediate offensive threat. This Latias will still provide a useful defensive pivot, but can also maintain offensive momentum. Draco Meteor is the main weapon in Latias's arsenal, dealing heavy damage to anything that does not resist it. Surf provides excellent neutral coverage alongside Draco Meteor, and is a safe opening move that won't lower your Special Attack. It should be noted that the combination of Surf followed up with Draco Meteor can help with Latias's Pursuit weakness, as it will always 2HKO a 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Recover allows Latias to switch in multiple times during the course of a match and mitigates Life Orb recoil.</p>
<p>The final slot can be tailored to fit each team's needs by providing either better coverage or team support. Hidden Power Fire is the primary option because it cleanly OHKOs all forms of Scizor. Because Latias is such a safe Rotom switch-in, Latias can be used to break U-turn / Volt Switch chains because Rotom-W will almost always Volt switch to Scizor against Latias. Hidden Power Fire also allows Latias to avoid being completely walled by Ferrothorn, provided it is not raining. Hidden Power Fighting can 2HKO most Tyranitar and can also hit Ferrothorn regardless of weather conditions, but misses out on OHKOing Scizor. Thunderbolt adds more neutral coverage and allows Latias to better handle Skarmory, Gyarados, and other bulky waters. Refresh and Psycho Shift are good options if your team needs something to absorb status. Refresh is generally more reliable, but Psycho Shift can inflict a poison, burn, or paralysis onto a troublesome foe. Meanwhile, Wish, Reflect, Roar, and Thunder Wave can be used to help fulfill the need for additional team support.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread optimizes Latias's role as a bulky, hard hitting tank. 152 HP EVs yield 339 HP, providing a healthy amount of bulk and an optimal Life Orb number. The 180 Speed EVs allow Latias to reach a Speed stat of 300 with Hidden Power Fire, which is just enough to outspeed neutral-natured base 100s. For those worried about Salamence or not being able to Speed tie with Latios and other Latias, a Timid nature can be used with either the same spread or a standard 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe build. However, this spread will force you to sacrifice either power or bulk.</p>
<p>Because this Latias is more offensively orientated, it requires different team support than the standard Latias to maximize its effectiveness. Like most special attackers, Latias has no way of breaking through the fat pink blobs: Blissey and Chansey. Anything that can lure out and defeat them, such as Trickers, Psyshock users, or Fighting-pokemon that can shrug off status, make great teammates for this set. With Hidden Power Fire, most Steel-types are less of an issue, but Latias is still hard pressed to do any kind of damage to Special Defensive Jirachi, Metagross, and Bronzong. These Pokemon are all trapped relatively easily by Magnezone, or defeated by Earthquake-wielding Dragon Dancers, such as Salamence, Haxorus, and Gyarados.</p>
Name: Life Orb Tank
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Surf
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Refresh
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 152 HP / 176 SpA / 180 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While most conventional Latias sets attempt to support or sweep over a long period of time, this set turns Latias into an immediate offensive threat. This Latias will still provide a useful defensive pivot, but can also maintain offensive momentum. Draco Meteor is the main weapon in Latias's arsenal, dealing heavy damage to anything that does not resist it. Surf provides excellent neutral coverage alongside Draco Meteor, and is a safe opening move that won't lower your Special Attack. It should be noted that the combination of Surf followed up with Draco Meteor can help with Latias's Pursuit weakness, as it will always 2HKO a 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Recover allows Latias to switch in multiple times during the course of a match and mitigates Life Orb recoil.</p>
<p>The final slot can be tailored to fit each team's needs by providing either better coverage or team support. Hidden Power Fire is the primary option because it cleanly OHKOs all forms of Scizor. Because Latias is such a safe Rotom switch-in, Latias can be used to break U-turn / Volt Switch chains because Rotom-W will almost always Volt switch to Scizor against Latias. Hidden Power Fire also allows Latias to avoid being completely walled by Ferrothorn, provided it is not raining. Hidden Power Fighting can 2HKO most Tyranitar and can also hit Ferrothorn regardless of weather conditions, but misses out on OHKOing Scizor. Thunderbolt adds more neutral coverage and allows Latias to better handle Skarmory, Gyarados, and other bulky waters. Refresh and Psycho Shift are good options if your team needs something to absorb status. Refresh is generally more reliable, but Psycho Shift can inflict a poison, burn, or paralysis onto a troublesome foe. Meanwhile, Wish, Reflect, Roar, and Thunder Wave can be used to help fulfill the need for additional team support.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread optimizes Latias's role as a bulky, hard hitting tank. 152 HP EVs yield 339 HP, providing a healthy amount of bulk and an optimal Life Orb number. The 180 Speed EVs allow Latias to reach a Speed stat of 300 with Hidden Power Fire, which is just enough to outspeed neutral-natured base 100s. For those worried about Salamence or not being able to Speed tie with Latios and other Latias, a Timid nature can be used with either the same spread or a standard 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe build. However, this spread will force you to sacrifice either power or bulk.</p>
<p>Because this Latias is more offensively orientated, it requires different team support than the standard Latias to maximize its effectiveness. Like most special attackers, Latias has no way of breaking through the fat pink blobs: Blissey and Chansey. Anything that can lure out and defeat them, such as Trickers, Psyshock users, or Fighting-pokemon that can shrug off status, make great teammates for this set. With Hidden Power Fire, most Steel-types are less of an issue, but Latias is still hard pressed to do any kind of damage to Special Defensive Jirachi, Metagross, and Bronzong. These Pokemon are all trapped relatively easily by Magnezone, or defeated by Earthquake-wielding Dragon Dancers, such as Salamence, Haxorus, and Gyarados.</p>
In case anybody in wondering why this hasn't been updated with the final GP check and uploaded:
Just thought I'd put this out there and speed things up in OU.RaikouLover's CP said:
it's basically done, someone just needs to edit the op
Just C + P the edited analysis in post #32 (Aeron's post).
