Smogon Premier League VIII - Commencemeat

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Isa

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Welcome to the eighth installment of the tournament widely considered Smogon's best - the Smogon Premier League. For the uninitiated, the Smogon Premier League (SPL) is a team-based tournament where 10 team managers draft their team from a pool of players and duke it out for the following nine weeks to make it to playoffs, where the top four teams face off to determine this year's winning team (and, of course, all for the glory of the red trophy). It's one of the most fun and engaging tournaments Smogon has to offer, so read on if you're interested!

I will be the primary host this year, with (someone else) as the assistant host. A reminder of rulings that hold true for this year:
  1. Managers are allowed one (1) assistant Manager.
  2. Teams are only allowed three (3) retained players from last year's SPL.
  3. There will be a severe penalty for any team that picks up a known alt of a banned player, or any player masquerading as another person to lower their cost in the auction. This has not been a big issue in the past, but it is important to establish that both parties will be penalized immediately and harshly if they are found doing so.
With that said, I'd like to welcome all of our managers this year, new and old! Only two teams see a completely fresh look, whereas eight of the teams are being carried this year by a captain and/or assman from the previous SPL.

Alpha Ruiners: Luigi. & HANTSUKI
Circus Maximus Tigers: tennisace & atomicllamas
Congregation of the Classiest: -Tsunami- & Omfuga
Cryonicles: Valentine & teal6
Ever Grande Bigs: Funkasaurus & boudouche
Firebot Falcons: soulgazer & BLOOD TOTEM
Indie Scooters: bro fist & CrashinBoomBang
Stark Sharks: M Dragon & Malekith
Team Raiders: Sam & FLCL
Wi-Fi Wolfpack: Pearl & rozes
Player sign-ups will go up at the same time or shortly after this commencement post is made. When a prospective player signs up, they are expected to also note which tiers they are interested in playing during the tournament. In order to ensure the best possible experience for yourself, the managers, and your team, please do NOT sign up for any tier you are unwilling to play. If you would not seriously consider playing that tier in a tournament environment, do not list it. The tiers you put down in your signup are not binding, but they will affect how your prospective manager sees you, and as such they should be as accurate to your skillset as possible. Don't make dumb joke posts about playing tiers you do not care for.

Retainer rules:

As stated above, only three retainers are allowed this year. You may not retain more than three, though you may retain less or no players at all if you wish.

The cost to retain a player will be the HIGHER of the following two scenarios (unchanged from last year):
  1. the amount that the player went for in the last auction + 3k (ex. if Oglemi was bought for 13k, it would cost 16k to retain him)
  2. 10k, if the previous price + 3k would end up being lower than 10k (ex. if Oglemi was bought for 6k, his retaining cost would be 10k, not 9k)
Additionally, remember that a player bought for under 10k during last year's auction will not necessarily cost just 10k to retain. If Oglemi were bought for 9k in last year's auction, he would cost 12k to retain this year, not 10k.

A new rule for this year is that players originally bought at midseason may no longer be retained. Here's a list of the players you may not retain this SPL:
aeroblacktyl
august
Christo.
Danilo
dEnIsSs
deoxys speed
e7e
Hairy Toenail
HJAD
Hogg
Ice Tea
Kevin Garrett
marcoasd
Memoric
Philip7086
Pokémaniac Livio
Shaneghoul
SilentVerse
Sken
Tesung (bought in midseason SPL 5 and retained twice)
Tiba (bought in midseason SPL 5 and retained twice)
xray (bought in midseason SPL 6 and retained last year)
49 (bought in midseason SPL 6 and retained last year)

The tier lineup this year is as follows:

SM OU
SM OU
SM OU
SM Ubers
SM LC
SM Doubles
ORAS OU
BW2 OU
DPP OU
ADV OU
GSC OU
Bo3 RBY OU
General SPL Rules & Regulations
The General Manager of a team is essentially the boss of a team. The GM is the final word in all decisions (barring the host) regarding his team. The GM decides which players play on the team, who plays in what position, and even handles the team finances. Managers also make sure that the team keeps running on a day to day basis. If a team fails to complete their matches by the end of the allotted time, the onus is on the manager to inform the host as to what happened in order to make sure that proper activity calls are made.




Because of these responsibilities, The General Manager is probably the most important part of the team. As such, the position of GM is not one to be taken lightly.

• General Managers are not eligible to play in the Smogon Premier League. You can either play or manage, not both.
• General Managers are chosen largely on a subjective opinion of the host as well as Tournament Directors as to who they believe would be fit for the position. Being fit for the position includes the knowledge of excellent battlers in the community (for fielding a competent team), having above average activity on the forums, IRC, Pokémon Showdown and/or Discord (in order to ensure that you don’t abandon your team), as well as possessing a necessary amount of “gravitas” (If you can’t make a player do what you tell them to, such as play an undesirable metagame, you’re not going to make a good manager).

General Managers are required to acquire one Assistant Manager. The General Manager gets full sovereignty in choosing his assistant manager. The assistant manager is essentially the second in command for the team. He/she has all of the functions and roles as the General Manager does, the GM just trumps him in head-to-head decisions.

Lastly, the General Manager has the following duties:

• He/she shall choose one Assistant Manager.
• He/she shall make the host aware of any player retentions before the auction starts.
• He/she shall be present at the live auction, or appoint someone (preferably the Assistant Manager or a retained player if the AM is unavailable) to participate in the live auction in their stead.
• He/she shall send the host weekly rosters.
• He/she shall ensure to the best of his/her abilities that his/her battlers complete their matches on time.
• In the event that a match fails to be completed, he/she shall inform the host as to why the match failed to be completed, and what his/her battler did in order to finish the match.
• He/she shall communicate any grievances with the host.
• He/she shall oversee all trades the team makes.
All players must sign up if they wish to play in the Smogon Premier League, even those who will eventually be retained to their past teams. It is important to note that the Smogon Premier League is an 11 week event and that the activity level of a player is significant. Do not sign up to play for a team if you do not intend to see the tournament through to the end. This includes maintaining a competitive attitude if your team is already eliminated from playoff contention. You never know whether or not winning your end-season matches will make you a more valued player next season, so even if your team isn’t necessarily in the playoff picture anymore, there’s always value in playing your best. Failure to complete matches in a timely manner consistently may result in being barred from entering the Smogon Premier League in future seasons.

The format for signing up to play in the Smogon Premier League is as follows. This is not the sign-up thread. Do NOT post sign-ups in this thread.

It is of utmost importance that you post your signup post in the proper format. We are checking and adding signups to the player database through a script this year, so please conform to this.

Player Name: Isa
Tiers Played: RBY OU / GSC OU / ADV OU / Doubles
Timezone: GMT +1 (CET)
The sign-up list will then be taken and sorted into appropriate lists for each of the 12 metagames. These lists will then be used by managers for the auction.
Total money for teams is 140,000 credits. There will be no holdover on extra credits from previous years - everyone starts with a blank slate and 140k.

In the weeks preceding the live auction, a time will be chosen by all of the General Managers to meet and perform a live auction in order to choose players. Managers will be expected to remain at the auction for the entire duration, which should take approximately 2-3 hours. If a General Manager cannot, for some reason, find any feasible time that he can attend a Live Auction, then the Assistant Manager will be called upon to fill in the spot. If no Manager can fill the spot for the Live Auction… then a new General Manager + Assistant Manager who can find time to make a live auction will be found to replace the old ones.

Once a time is set, all 10 managers + the hosts will enter the place where the auction will be held - previously this has been #splauction on SynIRC.net, but could this year become Smogtours - at the given time. The host will administer vops to the 10 managers, and place mode +m on the chat. Spectators are allowed to join in to watch the fun unfold, but will not be able to speak. Discussion on the bidding at hand should be relegated to #spl or any other appropriate chat outlet.

It is at this time that each manager will reveal who (if anybody) they have chosen to retain from their roster last year. The order by which managers will reveal their retainers will be determined by their ranking from last year. [Note: We now simply just send retainers to the host prior to the auction, and it is publicly posted.] There are a few notes to be made on the subject of retainers:

The cost to retain a player is 10000 credits, or 3000 credits added to the salary the player was paid in the season preceding the current one, whichever is more expensive.

After retainers are revealed, those players retained to teams are taken off of the free agent list. Following this, the live auction starts.

The host will first ask a team to nominate a player. The order by which teams will nominate players will go in a snaking pattern from the highest ranked team from last year to the lowest ranked team, then the lowest ranked team to the highest ranked team. The host will then tell the details of said player and bidding will commence, starting at 3000 credits, with the nominating team automatically placing the first bid. The auction will then be in real time. Managers will simply put in their bids in the channel, raising a minimum of 500 credits. If after 15 seconds there are no new bids, the player is sold to the highest bid in the channel. The host will provide a 5 second warning before bidding is closed on a player. The host will then post updated credit totals and will then prompt the next manager in the rotation to nominate a player.

Managers are asked to please have a predetermined list of players you intend to nominate as well as potential bid caps, in order to make the process go as quickly and seamlessly as possible.

Here is a sample of how the live auction is expected to take place.

<Isa> Scooters - 140k
<Isa> Ruiners - 140k
<Isa> Tigers - 140k
<Isa> Scooters are up to nominate.
<bro fist> We nominate Oglemi.
<Isa> Oglemi - SM OU / RBY OU
<Isa> The bidding starts at 3000 Credits to the Indie Scooters.
<teal6> 3500
<bro fist> 4000
<Valentine> 6000
<CrashinBoomBang> 6500
<Valentine> 7000
<bro fist> 7500

--10 seconds pass--

<Zebraiken> 5 seconds remaining.
<Valentine> 8000
<bro fist> 8500

--10 seconds pass--

<Zebraiken> 5 seconds remaining.

--5 seconds pass--

<Zebraiken> SOLD to the Indie Scooters for 8500 Credits
<Zebraiken> The Scooters - 131.5k
<Zebraiken> The Ruiners - 140k
<Zebraiken> The Tigers - 140k
<Zebraiken> The Ruiners are up to nominate.

Managers: it is necessary for you to field a roster of 12 starters + 2 substitutes of which all must be paid at least 3000 credits. This creates a soft cap of 101,000 credits on any particular bid - that is, the maximum amount of money you can spend on any one player and still have enough money left over to pay at least 3000 credits a piece on 13 more players.

Remember that there are midseason free agent pick-ups. It might be beneficial to save some credits in order to pick up players midseason.
It is at this time that the tournament will commence. The league stages consist of a Round Robin tournament. Every team will face every other team once through 9 weeks of play. Each manager will submit to the host a roster no later than the deadline of the previous week. This roster will list the starting players and what metagames they will play. The metagames represented in the Smogon Premier League are as follows:

SM OU
SM OU
SM OU
SM Ubers
SM LC
SM Doubles
ORAS OU
BW2 OU
DPP OU
ADV OU
GSC OU
Bo3 RBY OU​
When the week starts, teams' players will face off in their respective metagames / tiers. The SM OU 1 from Team A will face the SM OU 1 from team B, SM OU 2 will face SM OU 2, and so on. Whichever team wins the most battles will be declared the victor for the week. Rather than score based on how many individual battles a team wins, the only thing that matters is who beat the most teams. As such, points are awarded based only on wins and losses versus teams as a whole, not individual players. Beating a team in a week’s matchups is worth two points, tying with a team is worth one point, and losing is worth none, simple as that. At the end of the round robin, the top four teams in the points proceed to the playoffs and will be seeded into a knock-out style bracket where they will face off until only one team remains.




There are a few regulatory things during the league stages that need to be outlined.

1. Substitutes – At any point in time during the week, a team may make a substitution for an inactive player. In order to do this a manager must PM a host on the forums (or IRC) saying which player is substituting out, and which player is substituting in. A player that has substituted out for a week cannot be substituted back in. In addition, in order to catch any attempts at garnering favorable matchups in SM OU (where the lineup you choose affects pairings), all substitutions are subject to veto by the host if the substitution is suspected to be attempting to “game” the system.

2. Pre-Week Battling – Because there is a set schedule generated at the beginning of the season, it is possible to accurately guess what players you will be facing in any given week (especially if you play a metagame that isn’t ORAS OU). However, because the next week’s rosters are not set in stone until the day before the next week, there is no telling what a manager will do with regards to who they slot in one spot… especially if they have more than one player in any given tier. Asking to battle early for future weeks is essentially asking the opposing manager to short themselves options and forces them to make their roster early, perhaps without all of the knowledge they might have gleaned over the course of the week. Due to this, battling early for future weeks is not allowed. Do not ask to battle early for a future week. You will be denied. No exceptions. This is what you have substitutes for.

3. Trades – Teams may trade players with each other at any point during the regular season. In order to complete a trade, both involved managers must submit a PM to the host detailing which player(s) on their team they are trading away, as well as which players they are receiving as compensation. Trades are only possible before week 1 has started, and during the midseason week.

4. There will be no trades allowed following the conclusion of the midseason pickups.

5. Trades become finalized with host approval; managers may bring up a trade for veto within 24 hours of the trade being made and the TDs will review the trade and re-finalize or veto the trade.

6. Activity decisions – There are inevitably times where two players simply fail to complete a match; however, the nature of the tournament system sometimes makes it advantageous to purposely fail to play (such as when a team is up 6-5 in a week). Because of this, it is necessary to make activity decisions on matches. Hosts are required to make thorough investigations regarding each and every potential failed match during a week. If both parties are deemed to be equally apathetic or enthusiastic about getting the match done, but just have not had the opportunity to make it happen, the match will result in a no contest. However, if it is deemed that one party made significantly more effort than the other in attempting to get the match done, then a win will be awarded to that player. Things that will make it very likely that you will lose via activity include: failing to VM your opponent immediately upon the week’s start, scheduling a match and being documented as missing the match time, failing to provide any concrete times for which you can be reached, failing to respond to an opponent’s VM at all. Note that this is a tournament that requires a very high level of activity and diligence, if you don’t think you can get your matches done, quite simply don’t sign up.

7. Rule Breaking – There is no excuse for breaking any of the predetermined rules. If you are caught breaking a rule, you will lose your match. There is no lenience with regards to this. Break a rule, you lose. Period.

8. Reversing Rulings - No ruling will be retroactively overturned once the week following the week that the ruling has been made has ended. This includes: activity rulings / rulings based on rule breaking / anything else under the sun. I'm not going back in time to reevaluate every single decision I've made throughout the tournament on Week 9 because you think you were gypped 1-2 wins along the way and now they're the difference between you and a playoff spot. Any appeals to a ruling must be made during the week that the ruling is made; beyond that, all rulings are final once the week ends.
After Week 4, there will be a “break” week for Midseason Free Agent Pickups. Because players are bound to miss the original sign-ups, as well teams are bound to have players that have to leave for a significant portion of the season, in the middle of the season, sign-ups will reopen for 3 days. Players will sign up and a new free agent list will be made. Note: Even if you signed up the first time around, you must re-signup in order to get on the midseason free agent list. After sign-ups close, the host will remind each manager how many credits they have left over from the original live auction.

Instead of having another live auction, an auction will take place on the forums. A manager will post their bids, with other managers having up to 12 hours from the time of the post to make a higher bid on the player. After 12 hours, if the manager has not been outbid, his or her team will be awarded the players. The Midseason auction will last for a week, until the start of week 5. There is no use for credits leftover after the midseason free agent pickups, so it is in every manager’s best interest to spend all of their remaining points at this time.
At the end of the league stages, there will be a knockout style playoffs involving the top 4 teams in the points. In the event of a tie in overall points standings, the following criteria is used for breaking ties.

• Overall Points >
• Battle Difference (total # battles won - total # battles lost) >
• Best of 3 - each team picks a unique tier with the winner of the Head to Head matchup picking second, then SM OU is the 3rd game

After the top 4 have been determined, each team will be seeded. The #1 seed will play the #4 seed, and the #2 seed will play the #3 seed. The victors of these matches will advance to the finals match. The winning team of this match will be declared the ultimate victors of the Smogon Premier League.
"Revealing" sets and teams during matches is becoming more and more of a hot topic as the SPL season wears on.

- Revealing Teams

This is grounds for immediate unsportsmanlike conduct and infraction on the forums. Posting team pastebins and others of the kind will not be tolerated from here on out. This is your first and only warning.

- Revealing Sets

This is where the gray area starts and where it's hard to actually enforce since I personally don't see it as that large of a problem, but others see it as a huge issue.

There have been many complaints over the course of the past couple weeks of users speculating obscure or gimmicky sets that have been legit possibilities or true to the teams for SPL matches, alerting the other party to scenarios or sets that they may not have considered or been aware, and thus possibly changing their play. In-chat "ghosting" is also not what we want to see in the battles.

Speculating really obscure moves like HP Flying on an Aegislash is not really harmful, nor is speculating standard sets like "incoming Fire Blast" from a Moltres, and will thus not be reprimanded.

However, depending on moderator discretion and the egregiousness of the speculating in question, consistently set revealing/speculating the likes of let's say SD Sceptile in RU or Choice Scarf Excadrill in ORAS OU (which are like the in between of the above examples), may lead to a unsportsmanlike conduct and infraction, and will most definitely lead to a lock and maybe kick on the simulator.


In essence, police yourselves, and know that this is something to watch what you say in the game chats. Work to get this kind of behavior out of the game chats.
Acceptable reasons for sellback:
1. User is a team cancer (as to be judged by TD team and evidenced by logs)
2. User has quit
3. User has disappeared
4. Inactivity (defined below)

We are defining inactivity as this: "So low of inactivity that it makes it difficult to complete battles of the battler's accord." This includes largely IRC and Discord inactivity, but forum inactivity will carry weight as well. If the battler has low activity but is still able to schedule by themselves and conduct their own battles, that is not grounds for a sellback.

Combinations of the above factors will also be taken into account. Eligibility for sellback will be determined entirely by the host.
This has been a thing in the past and it hasn't caused any problems thus far, but an issue came up during the liberty32 vs Heist battle that needs to be restated:

If a player that is playing on PS has disconnected, DO NOT JOIN THE BATTLE IN THEIR PLACE

DO NOT


DO

NOT

!

DOn't

doN'T

This can lead very very very quickly to an infraction, tournament ban, or forum ban and team disqualification of the match (depending on who exactly joined) as it is very easy to then team reveal to the other team.

This is another reason why playing on smogtours is far more preferred so as to protect yourself during disconnects, as we can see who exactly is joining the battle.

If the big JOIN button pops up in your window, DON'T JUST CLICK IT, look to make sure it's not because one of the players disconnected. This is your final and only warning.
League Stages & Playoffs

Tiebreaks in the Playoff stage (ie when teams are tied 6-6, not when they are trying to get into playoffs) have been changed.

League Stages

Not all 10 teams will qualify to play in the playoffs. Based on the results of the League stage, the top 4 teams will advance to the playoffs.

In the league stages, beating another team gives you 2 points, drawing the match gives you 1 point, and losing it gives you nothing. In addition, the manner in which you win will also be stored; that is, how many you won vs how many you lost. This difference will be used in case of a tie at the end of the league stage.​

Playoffs

Based on the league stage, the top 4 teams will be seeded and placed into a bracket, in which they will go head to head. Teams will battle in the same format as during the league stage. At the end of all 12 battles, the team with more wins will advance to the next round.

In the case of a tie, the advancing team will be decided by a best of three - each team picks a unique tier that isn't SM OU with the higher seed picking second, then SM OU is the 3rd game.
The tournament will progress in this format until there is only one team left standing, the champion of the Smogon Premier League.
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This post marks the formal start to SPL 8, which means:

  • Managers can now formalize trades
  • Managers can inform me the players they wish to retain (REMINDER: Players can refuse to be retained, which means if they sign up, they will be a free agent for SPL 8. When conducting trades that involve retainer rights MAKE SURE BEFOREHAND that the player will play for your team.)
  • Managers can hold official tryouts
Here's to a great season!
 
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Platinum God n1n1

the real n1n1
is a Tiering Contributor
soulgazer & BLOOD TOTEM
Let it be known, n1n1 should be your top draft pick
I’ll please you like good dick
These other niggas ain’t Birds, more like a baby chick
The most under rated sign up
Anyone who says otherwise is a lie
Believe me, alongside Totem I’ll fly high
And let these niggas know - the best player hails from Bed-Stuy
That’s the same hood as Jay-Z and Notorious
Guarantee we’ll be Victorious; and RIP to Victorious

My rhymes are ill
My battling is sicker
They call me the Illuminati Killer
I’m entertaining like Ben Stiller
Memoric is a has been like Dennis Miller
I slayed him 5-0 in DPL. Then again in straight sets for Flashback
That nigga could never get on the attack
Let’s see how this rap will make him and the mods react

They probably fuming; I don’t care, I’ll fight at all cost like a kamikaze
And don’t even get me started on that Nazi
0-3 last year, then in DPL he went two and six
Let be honest he doesn’t deserve to be in the SPL mix

Let me name some more baby chicks:
Bowman, zack, and TFC can’t fuck with me
match me up in try outs,
and you’ll see whos in control
Drafting them is a risk, like putting it through a glory hole
All most done, but lets not forget KyleCole

Trust me he’s not who you think. He hasn’t battled all year so you don’t see how bad hes become
I only fraught him twice all year, won both, pounded him like a drum
On top of that I used Mega Blastoise both times, and they said that mon is unviable
But the truth is for SPL Kyle should considered undesirable

I wont even get into that German ghost.
He’ll get fried like some French toast.
Alright I’m done with the roast

Every team needs a good shit talker
Just proved I'm the best like Luke Skywalker
Watch out Haters
Or at your neck there’ll be Light Sabers
This is fitting; picture me coming off the Millennial Falcon
Joining the future champs: Firebot Falcons!

And one last thing, don’t infract me
I’m not dangerous and have no gun
Just try’n to have some fun

I said one last thing already, but I really have dos
FREE MY NIGGA STRATOS




since I mentioned winning vs kyle and memoric, I will drop replays
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesou-366986100 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesubers-430281646 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesubers-430290172
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesou-401855836
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesou-366302860
 
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Finchinator

-OUTL
is a Tournament Directoris a Top Social Media Contributoris a Community Leaderis a Community Contributoris a Smogon Discord Contributoris a Top Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Top Smogon Media Contributoris a Top Dedicated Tournament Hostis a Senior Staff Member Alumnusis a Battle Simulator Moderator Alumnusis a Past WCoP Championis the defending OU Circuit Championis a Two-Time Former Old Generation Tournament Circuit Champion
OU Leader
soulgazer & BLOOD TOTEM
Let it be known, n1n1 should be your top draft pick
I’ll please you like good dick
These other niggas ain’t Birds, more like a baby chick
The most under rated sign up
Anyone who says otherwise is a lie
Believe me, alongside Totem I’ll fly high
And let these niggas know - the best player hails from Bed-Stuy
That’s the same hood as Jay-Z and Notorious
Guarantee we’ll be Victorious; and RIP to Victorious

My rhymes are ill
My battling is sicker
They call me the Illuminati Killer
I’m entertaining like Ben Stiller
Memoric is a has been like Dennis Miller
I slayed him 5-0 in DPL. Then again in straight sets for Flashback
That nigga could never get on the attack
Let’s see how this rap will make him and the mods react

They probably fuming; I don’t care, I’ll fight at all cost like a kamikaze
And don’t even get me started on that Nazi
0-3 last year, then in DPL he went two and six
Let be honest he doesn’t deserve to be in the SPL mix

Let me name some more baby chicks:
Bowman, zack, and TFC can’t fuck with me
match me up in try outs,
and you’ll see whos in control
Drafting them is a risk, like putting it through a glory hole
All most done, but lets not forget KyleCole

Trust me he’s not who you think. He hasn’t battled all year so you don’t see how bad hes become
I only fraught him twice all year, won both, pounded him like a drum
On top of that I used Mega Blastoise both times, and they said that mon is unviable
But the truth is for SPL Kyle should considered undesirable

I wont even get into that German ghost.
He’ll get fried like some French toast.
Alright I’m done with the roast

Every team needs a good shit talker
Just proved I'm the best like Luke Skywalker
Watch out Haters
Or at your neck there’ll be Light Sabers
This is fitting; picture me coming off the Millennial Falcon
Joining the future champs: Firebot Falcons!

And one last thing, don’t infract me
I’m not dangerous and have no gun
Just try’n to have some fun

I said one last thing already, but I really have dos
FREE MY NIGGA STRATOS




since I mentioned winning vs kyle and memoric, I will drop replays
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesou-366986100 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesubers-430281646 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesubers-430290172
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesou-366302860 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/doublesou-401855836
glad we asked
 
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