Hello all, so this is one of my teams that i am attepting to make it work recently. This team is as the name suggests Spike Stack Hyper Offense which aims to lay multiple layers of spikes/toxic spikes and stealth rock and then opress opposing team so hard that they cannot afford to defog while hopfully forcing many switches. The problem is that i dont really know how to go on, dont see any flaws and cant find a good spike stack team anywhere so any feedback would be highly appreciated. My personal high with this team is around 1600. So here is the team (i also need help on how to post sprites).
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam
So this is the first suicide lead. It is the most standard Greninja lead set directly from Smogon and it works very well. It can lay spikes or if opponent doesnt have grounded poison types toxic spikes. Taunt is here to prevent using it as a setup fodder and to prevent defog. Ice beam is here to hit landos, dragons and ice is one of the best coverage types as well. Greninja is the best spike lead because it is the fastest of them all and has taunt.
Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Rock Tomb
The best suicide lead in this game right now. I always use it for my suicide lead when i am building HO. It has Mold breaker, rapid spin (which means i can play some rock-weak mons) and it hits like a truck. Rock Tomb is useful vs faster leads to slow them down.
Thundurus @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 67 Atk / 188 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Ice]
One of the most important Mons in Spike stack HO. It is one of the two viable Defiant users (other being Bisharp, which is good on Sticky Web, not here). You need one because no matter how hard you'll try your opponent might still be able to Defog. If you want to actually use Defiant you need a mixed set. This particular set aims to hit as many things as possible super effective and to thunderbolt the rest. The only problem it has is that it is weaker than Nasty Plot sets, but it is extremly important.
Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Crunch
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Earthquake
This is one of the best Pokemon to use in spike stack as well, because it naturally forces a lot of switches due to its bulk. This is a very standard set. Crunch for STAB, Earthquake for Pex and Tran, DD for setup and Sub for anti-stall since this team lacks a real wallbreaker. I also have a question if you are under sub your opponent cant defog entry hazards away, right?
Magearna @ Fairium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shift Gear
- Thunderbolt
- Fleur Cannon
- Focus Blast
Another bulky setup sweeper. It deals with a lot of mons Megyarados struggles with (water types, fairies and fighting types to certain extend) and also forces a lot of switches while Gyarados deals with Heatran, Ground types and Steel types. I chose Thunderbolt over Calm Mind because i felt like killing waters is more useful than occasional setup. It is also the z mover of the team as fairium z works very well with the Fleur Cannon as a brutal nuke.
Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Flamethrower
- Fire Blast
- Trick
Now since the team doesnt have a form of speed control i needed a fast scarfer that is also able to spinblock and deal with grass types. This set is very straightforward and does what it needs to do. Trick is to further annoy stall, everything else is standard.
Thank you for any feedback :)
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam
So this is the first suicide lead. It is the most standard Greninja lead set directly from Smogon and it works very well. It can lay spikes or if opponent doesnt have grounded poison types toxic spikes. Taunt is here to prevent using it as a setup fodder and to prevent defog. Ice beam is here to hit landos, dragons and ice is one of the best coverage types as well. Greninja is the best spike lead because it is the fastest of them all and has taunt.
Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Rock Tomb
The best suicide lead in this game right now. I always use it for my suicide lead when i am building HO. It has Mold breaker, rapid spin (which means i can play some rock-weak mons) and it hits like a truck. Rock Tomb is useful vs faster leads to slow them down.
Thundurus @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 67 Atk / 188 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Ice]
One of the most important Mons in Spike stack HO. It is one of the two viable Defiant users (other being Bisharp, which is good on Sticky Web, not here). You need one because no matter how hard you'll try your opponent might still be able to Defog. If you want to actually use Defiant you need a mixed set. This particular set aims to hit as many things as possible super effective and to thunderbolt the rest. The only problem it has is that it is weaker than Nasty Plot sets, but it is extremly important.
Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Crunch
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Earthquake
This is one of the best Pokemon to use in spike stack as well, because it naturally forces a lot of switches due to its bulk. This is a very standard set. Crunch for STAB, Earthquake for Pex and Tran, DD for setup and Sub for anti-stall since this team lacks a real wallbreaker. I also have a question if you are under sub your opponent cant defog entry hazards away, right?
Magearna @ Fairium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shift Gear
- Thunderbolt
- Fleur Cannon
- Focus Blast
Another bulky setup sweeper. It deals with a lot of mons Megyarados struggles with (water types, fairies and fighting types to certain extend) and also forces a lot of switches while Gyarados deals with Heatran, Ground types and Steel types. I chose Thunderbolt over Calm Mind because i felt like killing waters is more useful than occasional setup. It is also the z mover of the team as fairium z works very well with the Fleur Cannon as a brutal nuke.
Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Flamethrower
- Fire Blast
- Trick
Now since the team doesnt have a form of speed control i needed a fast scarfer that is also able to spinblock and deal with grass types. This set is very straightforward and does what it needs to do. Trick is to further annoy stall, everything else is standard.
Thank you for any feedback :)