Nope. Darkrai wouldn't even have been in VGC, because Mythicals are automatically banned.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]
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Can confirm, Serperior is insane. I've seen like four different Tera types not counting Stellar that let this thing decide entire games. Serperior is hard to predict, immediately threatens a sweep, and makes you pivot around it in the heat of the moment. It's nuts how much respect you have to give this thing in the middle of a battle.
You’re 100% right, but you’ve gotta admit it’s surprising that this meta isn’t more of a shitshow than it is. Remember how bad Teal Mask was at launch? And all we’ve had to do is ban the 700 BST Uber & all of a sudden people aren’t even sure if any one thing is definitively broken. I know it’ll probably change in the coming days and Deo-S is definitely a bit suspect, but after the clear chain of broken after broken after broken that was the DLC1 metagame, it’s… weirdly decent.
The returning, new and dropped mons are balancing things rather well. I think it was a good choice to drop the mons that we've dropped, deoxys s is a little sus but the rest are more healthy for the meta than not
That said, the stuff that was broken before still is. Kingambit should definitely go. Dengo too. I used to be against banning Valiant, but I think booster energy Valiant is way too fast for the tier now
Was because of Smeargle using the move.
Funnily enough they double nerfed it, with the move itself getting the accuracy cut but it also getting a check so that it fails if any mon other than darkrai uses it, which makes the former nerf entirely unnecessary.
Why did your opinion change now, of all times, when we finally have things viable that outspeed Valiant? Booster Boulder, +1 Roaring Moon and ScarfKrai (hehe) all outspeed and OHKO. Plus, webs completely gimps it and unfortunately webs are kinda viable due to complete lack of hazard removal.
I'M NOT CRAZY THANK GOD I TOLD YALL IT WAS FIRE
Not trolling - I wrote a 5000+ word dissertation here on OU Avalugg-Hisui back in June of this year. Fantastic spinner with great offensive and defensive qualities with reliable recovery. Avalugg-Hisui especially benefits from Tera (in addition to access to Strong Jaw and a solid physical movepool), and Ice/Rock is pretty insane offensively. Avalugg-H is worth checking out.
Due to the consistent lack of hazard removal in our format(s), do you think that OU and Uber players of this generation have a case for mental anguish in a class action lawsuit against GF? In all seriousness I'm begging for a Gholdengo ban. The defog situation isn't quite as dire as it is in Ubers due to the relative lack of viability Screensnarl HO teams have, but we still need to get rid of the Macaroni Noodle.
This is actually a really neat team, nice to see primarina being used effectively. One question though, is Primarina offensively or defensively invested? If defensively, into what stat?
I could be totally wrong about this but I don't think spike stacking teams have been this good since Gen 3. You know, when sandstorm was permanent, everywhere, and Gengar was the tier's best spin blocker? This is the effect Gholdengo has had on the metagame. Blocking both spin, and defog is unbelievably stupid and suffocating, and I feel like Gholdengo should be on the radar for a suspect even with the DLC dropping new toys. The other discussion is whether or not spikes themselves are broken and worthy of action but that's probably not going to come up until/unless Gholdengo is banned and they're still suffocating
I have to imagine it was a troll post, no one could completely misread both this entire thread AND that list.
I would argue that spikes teams in gen 3 aren't nearly as good as they are in the current generation. Yeah spinning is limited but all of the spinners in OU are genuinely good pokemon in their own right (except for maybe forretress but he gets spikes and is a steel type that has a decent [but not amazing, still better than skarmory tho] matchup into magneton). The defogger of OU in this gen, Corviknight, is a good physical wall, but it would have much steeper competition for that role if there were other defoggers, or if hazard removal in general was much better. Like this is genuinely the best spikes stack has been since gen 6, and this is a generation without ferrothorn. There are way too many hazard setters yes, but that issue is only as pronounced as it is because we don't have much hazard removal.
also people judging darkrai don't understand that certain pokemon thrive in different metagames
without Dark Void being 100% acc it can't thrive as much with HO, but its NP 3ATK set and other options like Taunt are going to shut down Balance/BO cores once that becomes the primary type of team.
darkrai isn't as great in this HO metagame, it will dominate in a Balance or BO metagame, which will happen, BO/Balance metagame is literally the benchmark
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Sure but you have to talk about its viability in this meta and currently it's just ok, nothing great - you can't talk about what it could be in the future because you don't know what the meta will be like.
This reply made me realize that Ferrothorn probably would be Uber this gen because of the utter lack of reliable hazard removal
To prevent this from being a one liner, I think it at least helps that Triple Axel is back with wider distribution to bully Gliscor. Meowscarada in particular seems like a pretty good buff
I think that ferrothorn wouldn't be uber in part because we finally have leech seed switch ins that threaten it back and also in part because fire type moves are everywhere. Ferrothorn would be extremely good don't get me wrong, but I don't think it would be uber, at least not in DLC2. DLC1? MaybeThis reply made me realize that Ferrothorn probably would be Uber this gen because of the utter lack of reliable hazard removal
To prevent this from being a one liner, I think it at least helps that Triple Axel is back with wider distribution to bully Gliscor. Meowscarada in particular seems like a pretty good buff
It's such an early metagame and I'm already tired of watching battles or reading posts where people force themselves to use suboptimal alternatives exclusively for Gholdengo, be it direct damage or just being able to use Defog. (Hi Weezing-galarian)
Speaking about suboptimal, in the previous Latias vs Latios discussion, I'm giving preference to Latias due to Healing Wish, this helps Kyurem a lot to spend more PP now that he lost Roost. Oh, Aura Sphere wreaks havoc on Kimgambit.
Terrakion on steroids what is it? You know what he's going to do and have problems anyway, this signature move is insane.
Gliscor mirror is also boring.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2013464784
Apologies to my opponent, besides being lucky I was carried away by the matchup, playing poorly since... SV I think.
Speaking about suboptimal, in the previous Latias vs Latios discussion, I'm giving preference to Latias due to Healing Wish, this helps Kyurem a lot to spend more PP now that he lost Roost. Oh, Aura Sphere wreaks havoc on Kimgambit.
Terrakion on steroids what is it? You know what he's going to do and have problems anyway, this signature move is insane.
Gliscor mirror is also boring.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2013464784
Apologies to my opponent, besides being lucky I was carried away by the matchup, playing poorly since... SV I think.
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Speaking of VRs, I just realized ribombee is conspicuously absent from the new preliminary viability list, can't believe they dexited him between the dlcs, tragic. He's probably at around medium viability I imagine, he likes the lack of new hazard removal but serperior just completely takes advantage of webs
Araquanid (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Water Bubble
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpA
Brave Nature
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Lunge
- Sticky Web
Can someone run a calc on this and see what the total modifier would be under rain? i'm guessing like 3× at least.
give me a reason to use araquanid please please please pl
Ability: Water Bubble
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpA
Brave Nature
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Lunge
- Sticky Web
Can someone run a calc on this and see what the total modifier would be under rain? i'm guessing like 3× at least.
give me a reason to use araquanid please please please pl
reasons are cringe, just use araquanid and build around its flaws. it's what I plan on doing with h-zoro once the meta settles a bit (252 SpA Zoroark-Hisui Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Great Tusk: 420-496 (96.7 - 114.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes my beloved)
252+ Atk Mystic Water Water Bubble Tera Water Araquanid Liquidation vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Torkoal in Sun: 180-216 (52.4 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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