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Project Victim Of The Week [VoTW #27 - Zygarde / Zygarde-Complete]

Discussion in 'Battle Spot Singles' started by dogknees, Jan 26, 2017.

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  1. dogknees

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    Vif-Argent's Porygon2.

    Noved pretty much sums it all up. You need some really hot tech like z low kick to have a fighting chance against p2, that or flinch it to death. It's simply too good, and has a much better matchup vs pretty much every other submission as well, whilst still being a top mon in the metagame
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  2. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Vif-Argent's Porygon2.

    Well, digital duck wins again.
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  3. Hulavuta

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    voting for The Squash Alolan Muk

    raw sexual energy mon is quite underrated. It may not be as reliable as Porygon2, which has Recover, but it is a lot more fun, which counts for something. I also love the fact that unlike Porygon2 that simply forces it out, you can Pursuit trap it for 61.2 - 72.1% unless it uses Low Kick (only 14% now) or Dark Pulse, which does piss weak damage to Muk >:]
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  4. dogknees

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    Congratulations to Vif-Argent for winning VoTW 19 (Greninja) with your submission of Porygon2! Your post will be logged into the archive.
    Victim of the week #20 - Glalie
    [​IMG]
    Up next is the shivering snowball of death. Now we all know exactly what Glalie does. Substitute / Protect / Sheer Cold / Freeze Dry. Protect turn one, sub turn two if you're faster, protect, sub again if the sub was broken, protect, etc while gaining boosts from moody along the way, paving an eventual sweep. Extremely predictable yet menacing to deal with and requires good luck on both your side to beat it, and your opponent's side to get some good boosts. So, How do you stop Glalie?
    Submissions are open and will be closed in four days from now. Best of luck everyone!
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  5. Vif-Argent

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    [​IMG]
    Blaziken @ Blazikenite / Firium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Flare Blitz
    - High Jump Kick / Superpower
    - Protect
    - Swords Dance / Stone Edge / Baton Pass

    M-Glalie is weak to both of Ken's STABs and Blaziken always outspeed it with Speed Boost as Moody won't always guarantee a boost in Speed.
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2017
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  6. ThickFatAzumarill

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    [​IMG]
    Lapras @ Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Water Absorb (Shell Armor if you really hate Glalie)
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Surf
    - Freeze-Dry
    - Ice Shard / Toxic
    - Perish Song

    Ultimate Glalie stopper. Immune to Sheer Cold because of awesome gen 7 mechanics changes, and Shell Armor means Frost Breath will never crit. Water Absorb is the better option for dealing with bulky waters. That being said, all that's left to do is sing so badly that floating ice ball won't be able to live for more than 3 turns (but Lapras itself can't stand it's own singing, so be careful).
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2017
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  7. cant say

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    Gengar-Mega @ Gengarite
    Ability: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 252 HP / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Perish Song
    - Protect
    - Substitute / Will-O-Wisp / Disable / Pain Split
    - Sludge Bomb / Hex

    Shadow Tag + Perish Song is a deadly combination, it's fantastic for removing Glalie as well as stupid things like stall cores. The choice of moves is really up to you, Substitute is usually the best so you can just Perish>Protect>Sub>switch, but you have other options. Wisp is sometimes necessary to even get the Perish Song off on some threats (including Glalie running Earthquake), Disable is great for when they've used their best move against your Protect, and Pain Split can get you some health back after getting hit on the Perish Song turn. Sludge Bomb is the standard offensive move, but Hex can be used with Wisp (or Hypnosis if you like that) to hurt something bad. Icy Wind is also a cool option but I left that out on this set.

    +2 0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Mega Gengar: 66-78 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    +2 0 SpA Glalie Frost Breath vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Mega Gengar on a critical hit: 84-99 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    +2 0 Atk Glalie Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 152-180 (91 - 107.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
    +2 0 Atk burned Glalie Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 76-90 (45.5 - 53.8%) -- 44.9% chance to 2HKO
  8. Kanon90

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    Ulgamoth power overwhelming

    [​IMG]

    Ulgamoth(Buginium Z)
    Ability : Swarm
    EVs : 4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature

    Fiery Dance / Flamethrower / Fire Blast
    Bug Buzz
    Substitute
    Quiver Dance

    While it may not be as bullet proof as the use of perish song, Volc's ability to hit Glalie through substitute with Bug Buzz in combination with QD and Substitute makes it a very solid answer to the annoying ice ball.
    Opted for the Swarm set to cover scenarios where Volcarona is on low health giving it almost a 50/50 chance to OHKO un-boosted Glalie(the standard 172 Hp / 84 SpD) on the spot.
    Z-Bug Buzz/Swarm with one single boost of Quiver Dance allow Volcarona to blast through a lot of its checks like Mega-Mence , Zard-X to name a few.
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  9. Fire Fist Ace

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    [​IMG]
    Lucario @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spd / 4 Def
    Timid Nature
    - Aura Sphere
    - Nasty Plot
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Flash Cannon

    The premise here is very simple and straightforward. One stat Glalie can grab is evasion. Mega Lucario is coveted with Adaptability and the special anti-troll move Aura Sphere that dunks on even a +6 evasion Glalie, unlike some other sweepers. Use Nasty Plot on predicted Protect turns, and proceed to fire away.

    252 SpA Adaptability Lucario-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Glalie: 228-272 (121.9 - 145.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    +2 252+ SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario-Mega: 63-75 (43.4 - 51.7%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
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  10. Leader Wallace

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    I would replace Ice Beam with Freeze-Dry.

    Anyway, Here's mine:
    Primarina @ Primaruim Z
    Ability: Torrent
    Level: 50
    EVs: 132 HP / 116 Def / 172 SpA / 84 SpD / 4 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Moonblast
    - Sparkling Aria
    - Encore
    - Perish Song
    A great answer to Defensive teams this Primarina variant. Encore locks Glalie down, while Sparkling Aria hits through substitututes. Perish Song is useful to shut it down if it has already boosted.
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2017
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  11. Moose And Goose

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    Cloyster card pic.png
    Cloyster @ White Herb / Focus Sash
    Ability: Skill Link
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Shell Smash
    - Rock Blast
    - Icicle Spear
    - Ice Shard
    Cloyster is a solid Glalie killer by virtue of it's ice typing Cloyster gets an immunity to Sheer Cold, along with a neutrality to freeze dry. That doesn't matter a ton when Cloyster threatens Glalie with a multi-hit rock blast, breaking through it's sub. Not to mention the fact that Cloyster can easily set up a shell smash against glalie (of course there always is the chance of missing if glalie gets +2 evasion). If Glalie survives a rock blast Cloyster can follow up with an ice shard to KO.

    Calcs:
    Offensive:
    252+ Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 160-190 (90.3 - 107.3%) -- approx. 18.8% chance to OHKO
    252+ Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 18-22 (10.1 - 12.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    Defensive:
    0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 108 HP / 4 SpD Cloyster: 60-72 (43.1 - 51.7%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO
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  12. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Oops, forgot that Lapras learns Freeze-Dry. Changing that right now.
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  13. Solerme

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    [​IMG] @ Kangaskhanite
    Ability: Parental Bond
    Level: 50
    EVs: 164 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Power-Up Punch
    - Return / Double-Edge / Crush Claw
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Tomb

    It can setup on Glalie pretty easily, most likely killing it with its ability. It has good bulk; the speed is for loom.
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  14. Nelson Tangela

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    Magnezone @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Psych Up
    - Shock Wave
    - Flash Cannon
    - Substitute

    Magnezone is immune to Sheer Cold, resists Freeze Dry, sets up free Substitutes all over Glalie's face while copying Moody boosts with Psych Up.
    Shock Wave never misses. Flash Cannon hits harder when Evasion is not a factor.
    The EV spread gives you the highest possible Lefties number at level 50 and maximizes special bulk to tank Freeze-Dry better.
    4 Speed EVs for the mirror match.

    Nobody runs this much offensive investment on their Moody Glalie, so the calcs would be even better in practice.
    +0 252 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Magnezone: 17-21 (9.6 - 11.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
    +2 252 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Magnezone: 33-40 (18.6 - 22.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

    0 SpA Magnezone Shock Wave vs. 172 HP / 84 SpD Glalie: 46-55 (25.9 - 31%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    0 SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 172 HP / 84 SpD Glalie: 122-146 (68.9 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    You can consider Magnet Rise for the uncommon Earthquake Glalie, but that would come at the cost of valuable coverage or Substitute.



    PS: All the entries with slashed move and/or item choices should be disqualified by default. Rule number one clearly states...
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  15. Moose And Goose

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    I think the precedence has been well set that slashes are perfectly fine in submissions, seeing as more than half of the winners in Battle Spot's VOTW have slashes in their importable set. This thread is made to be a project where players can find out ways to counter specific mons in the Battle Spot meta, and adding the slashes give said player ideas on ways to fit these mons onto their team. Saying that slashes makes the importable invalid makes it seem as if one thinks this thread is only a competition, which should not be true because this is a "Project" not some odd sort or tournament.

    edit: put in quote
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  16. average fella

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    Hopping on the train of countering mons with themselves
    [​IMG] (haha get it cause its moody)
    Glalie @ Leftovers
    Ability: Moody
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Protect
    - Substitute
    - Freeze-Dry
    - Earthquake


    OHKO moves are a crutch for people who can't get tons of spa/atk boosts, earthquake clearly better.


    eq means you win the glalie v glalie matchup. in fact, you win the mirror match so hard that even if they get a spa boost, they can't one-shot your subs.

    +2 0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Glalie: 75-89 (20.6 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

    what you can do back if you get a relevant boost is... not super impressive but you break a sub and kill them faster than they kill you

    +2 0- Atk Glalie Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 129-152 (35.4 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    if worse comes to worst, you can pp stall em out anyway since glalie is immune to sheer cold and sheer cold has 8 pp while eq has 16.


    this is where i usually say how this entry is useful and you should use it or at least try it out, but please do not use glalie against me or i WILL get an aneurysm
  17. Steel With It

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    [​IMG]

    Mamoswine @ Life Orb
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
    - Ice Shard
    - Superpower

    While Mamo does have to risk being LO stalled by Speed ties, it's immune to Sheer Cold, resistant to Freeze-Dry and able to smash Glalie's oversized teeth in with Superpower. Not a full counter, but a very nice check, and far more useful in Glalie-less matchups than most of the more specialised sets.

    +2 252 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 66-78 (35.6 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    +2 0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 51-60 (27.5 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 216-255 (115.5 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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  18. PPB

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    Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Infiltrator
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Overheat
    - Flamethrower
    - Energy Ball
    - Shadow Ball

    Description later. Also are we allowed to reserve mons?
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2017
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    You can reserve mons, so long as you add the description within a day

    It's still importable lol, it's not like people are putting 3 slash options on each move to make two completely different sets or anything. There's nothing wrong with being a bit versatile and adding other options, so long as it doesn't completely change the nom
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    Submissions are now closed! There are to be no edits of your own Pokemon, nor are there to be any new submissions. A few quick things to note;
    • Voting will close on the 24/6 at 12:30pm GMT+11 (8:30pm EST 23/6), where the next Vitim Of The Week will also be announced
    • You can't vote for your own submission
    • You can only change your vote once, so think carefully before doing so
    • You can vote even if you haven't made a submission. It is expected that you vote if you did submit yourself, but not compulsory
    Best of luck everybody! (ps I am so sorry this is a day late, I legitimately thought that yesterday was today oops... and sorry for the double post)
    Vif-Argent's Mega-Blaziken (open)

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    Blaziken @ Blazikenite / Firium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Flare Blitz
    - High Jump Kick / Superpower
    - Protect
    - Swords Dance / Stone Edge / Baton Pass

    M-Glalie is weak to both of Ken's STABs and Blaziken always outspeed it with Speed Boost as Moody won't always guarantee a boost in Speed.
    ThickFatAzumarill's Lapras (open)
    [​IMG]
    Lapras @ Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Water Absorb (Shell Armor if you really hate Glalie)
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Surf
    - Freeze-Dry
    - Ice Shard / Toxic
    - Perish Song

    Ultimate Glalie stopper. Immune to Sheer Cold because of awesome gen 7 mechanics changes, and Shell Armor means Frost Breath will never crit. Water Absorb is the better option for dealing with bulky waters. That being said, all that's left to do is sing so badly that floating ice ball won't be able to live for more than 3 turns (but Lapras itself can't stand it's own singing, so be careful).
    cant say's Mega-Gengar (open)

    [​IMG]
    Gengar-Mega @ Gengarite
    Ability: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 252 HP / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Perish Song
    - Protect
    - Substitute / Will-O-Wisp / Disable / Pain Split
    - Sludge Bomb / Hex

    Shadow Tag + Perish Song is a deadly combination, it's fantastic for removing Glalie as well as stupid things like stall cores. The choice of moves is really up to you, Substitute is usually the best so you can just Perish>Protect>Sub>switch, but you have other options. Wisp is sometimes necessary to even get the Perish Song off on some threats (including Glalie running Earthquake), Disable is great for when they've used their best move against your Protect, and Pain Split can get you some health back after getting hit on the Perish Song turn. Sludge Bomb is the standard offensive move, but Hex can be used with Wisp (or Hypnosis if you like that) to hurt something bad. Icy Wind is also a cool option but I left that out on this set.

    +2 0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Mega Gengar: 66-78 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    +2 0 SpA Glalie Frost Breath vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Mega Gengar on a critical hit: 84-99 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    +2 0 Atk Glalie Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 152-180 (91 - 107.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
    +2 0 Atk burned Glalie Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 76-90 (45.5 - 53.8%) -- 44.9% chance to 2HKO
    Kanon90's Volcarona (open)
    Ulgamoth power overwhelming

    [​IMG]
    Ulgamoth(Buginium Z)
    Ability : Swarm
    EVs : 4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature

    Fiery Dance / Flamethrower / Fire Blast
    Bug Buzz
    Substitute
    Quiver Dance

    While it may not be as bullet proof as the use of perish song, Volc's ability to hit Glalie through substitute with Bug Buzz in combination with QD and Substitute makes it a very solid answer to the annoying ice ball.
    Opted for the Swarm set to cover scenarios where Volcarona is on low health giving it almost a 50/50 chance to OHKO un-boosted Glalie(the standard 172 Hp / 84 SpD) on the spot.
    Z-Bug Buzz/Swarm with one single boost of Quiver Dance allow Volcarona to blast through a lot of its checks like Mega-Mence , Zard-X to name a few.
    Fire Fist Ace's Mega-Lucario (open)
    [​IMG]
    Lucario @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spd / 4 Def
    Timid Nature
    - Aura Sphere
    - Nasty Plot
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Flash Cannon

    The premise here is very simple and straightforward. One stat Glalie can grab is evasion. Mega Lucario is coveted with Adaptability and the special anti-troll move Aura Sphere that dunks on even a +6 evasion Glalie, unlike some other sweepers. Use Nasty Plot on predicted Protect turns, and proceed to fire away.

    252 SpA Adaptability Lucario-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Glalie: 228-272 (121.9 - 145.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    +2 252+ SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario-Mega: 63-75 (43.4 - 51.7%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
    Moose And Goose's Cloyster (open)
    [​IMG]
    Cloyster @ White Herb / Focus Sash
    Ability: Skill Link
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Shell Smash
    - Rock Blast
    - Icicle Spear
    - Ice Shard
    Cloyster is a solid Glalie killer by virtue of it's ice typing Cloyster gets an immunity to Sheer Cold, along with a neutrality to freeze dry. That doesn't matter a ton when Cloyster threatens Glalie with a multi-hit rock blast, breaking through it's sub. Not to mention the fact that Cloyster can easily set up a shell smash against glalie (of course there always is the chance of missing if glalie gets +2 evasion). If Glalie survives a rock blast Cloyster can follow up with an ice shard to KO.

    Calcs:
    Offensive:
    252+ Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 160-190 (90.3 - 107.3%) -- approx. 18.8% chance to OHKO
    252+ Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 18-22 (10.1 - 12.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    Defensive:
    0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 108 HP / 4 SpD Cloyster: 60-72 (43.1 - 51.7%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO
    Solerme's Mega-Kangaskhan (open)

    [​IMG]
    Ability: Parental Bond
    Level: 50
    EVs: 164 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Power-Up Punch
    - Return / Double-Edge / Crush Claw
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Tomb

    It can setup on Glalie pretty easily, most likely killing it with its ability. It has good bulk; the speed is for loom.
    Nelson Tangela's Magnezone (open)

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    Magnezone @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Psych Up
    - Shock Wave
    - Flash Cannon
    - Substitute

    Magnezone is immune to Sheer Cold, resists Freeze Dry, sets up free Substitutes all over Glalie's face while copying Moody boosts with Psych Up.
    Shock Wave never misses. Flash Cannon hits harder when Evasion is not a factor.
    The EV spread gives you the highest possible Lefties number at level 50 and maximizes special bulk to tank Freeze-Dry better.
    4 Speed EVs for the mirror match.

    Nobody runs this much offensive investment on their Moody Glalie, so the calcs would be even better in practice.
    +0 252 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Magnezone: 17-21 (9.6 - 11.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
    +2 252 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Magnezone: 33-40 (18.6 - 22.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

    0 SpA Magnezone Shock Wave vs. 172 HP / 84 SpD Glalie: 46-55 (25.9 - 31%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    0 SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 172 HP / 84 SpD Glalie: 122-146 (68.9 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    You can consider Magnet Rise for the uncommon Earthquake Glalie, but that would come at the cost of valuable coverage or Substitute.



    PS: All the entries with slashed move and/or item choices should be disqualified by default. Rule number one clearly states...
    average fella's Glalie (open)
    Hopping on the train of countering mons with themselves
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    Glalie @ Leftovers
    Ability: Moody
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Protect
    - Substitute
    - Freeze-Dry
    - Earthquake


    OHKO moves are a crutch for people who can't get tons of spa/atk boosts, earthquake clearly better.


    eq means you win the glalie v glalie matchup. in fact, you win the mirror match so hard that even if they get a spa boost, they can't one-shot your subs.

    +2 0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Glalie: 75-89 (20.6 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

    what you can do back if you get a relevant boost is... not super impressive but you break a sub and kill them faster than they kill you

    +2 0- Atk Glalie Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 129-152 (35.4 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    if worse comes to worst, you can pp stall em out anyway since glalie is immune to sheer cold and sheer cold has 8 pp while eq has 16.


    this is where i usually say how this entry is useful and you should use it or at least try it out, but please do not use glalie against me or i WILL get an aneurysm
    Steel With It's Mamoswine (open)

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    Mamoswine @ Life Orb
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
    - Ice Shard
    - Superpower

    While Mamo does have to risk being LO stalled by Speed ties, it's immune to Sheer Cold, resistant to Freeze-Dry and able to smash Glalie's oversized teeth in with Superpower. Not a full counter, but a very nice check, and far more useful in Glalie-less matchups than most of the more specialised sets.

    +2 252 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 66-78 (35.6 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    +2 0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 51-60 (27.5 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 216-255 (115.5 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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  21. ThickFatAzumarill

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    I'm going with cant say's Gengar this week.

    Unless Glalie gets a speed boost before Perish Song goes off, there's not much that it can do before going down. We had a lot of good submissions this week, but most of them rely on hitting moves, and you know how that can be a pain when Glalie gets its thing going.
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  22. Leader Wallace

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    ThickFatAzumarill's Lapras

    To be a 100% counter to Glalie, you have to be immune to Sheer Cold, as well as not caring about evasion boosts. Pretty cool-Antimeta mon.
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  23. The Squash

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    Voting for cant say's Gengar.

    Mega Gengar works great against Glalie thanks to Perish Song + Shadow Tag. After all, who needs to hit moves when you can stall out Glalie?
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  24. Doobzi

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    I'd vote for Lapras but the problem is that glalie can just switch out after the perish song and it isn't quite trapped. Gengar does it way better though sheer cold is always a problem (I've had games where it has hit my gengar on turn 1 but it I'd take a 70 percent chance to win over a free switch out for glalie anyday of the week).

    Voting for cant say's Gengar.
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  25. Feesh Squad

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    I couldn't have put it any better myself

    Voting for cant say's Gengar.
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