That said i dont agree with you calze. Jumpluff still has its niche in the form of being able to spread sleep which Whimsicott cannot(well it can do so by GrassWhistle which has 55 Acc). Tentacruel is by no means a Forry alternative. Tentracruel can set up only T Spikes while Forry sets up all of them. Forry also has that ever useful Steel typing which means he resists a huge amount of stuff. Jellicent is NOT a Kyogre counter. Thunder coming from Max Special Attack Timid Kyogre 2HKOes Jellicent. And Ghost Arceus and Giratina can spin block better than Jellicent. I'm neutral on Gyarados since i've really never used it to be able to speak about it.calze6 said:Jumpluff is now largely outclassed by eru, though, which can really do better. Tenta is like the forry alternative, absorbs tspikes, sets up and spins. Jelli is a spinblocker AND kyogre check. It can burn the crap out of stuff. They all have uses. And for gyara, it can tank and sweep
Jumpluff is way better than Eru. Haters gon' hate. Sleep Powder Ground Immunity and Tspikes immunity is nothing to scoff at >=[Jumpluff is now largely outclassed by eru, though, which can really do better. Tenta is like the forry alternative, absorbs tspikes, sets up and spins. Jelli is a spinblocker AND kyogre check. It can burn the crap out of stuff. They all have uses. And for gyara, it can tank and sweep (ask trickroom)!!!!!!!!
Untrue. But the fact that eruffun is better than pluff is also false. Both have their own pro's and con', like the ones both of you listed.Jumpluff is way better than Eru. Haters gon' hate. Sleep Powder Ground Immunity and Tspikes immunity is nothing to scoff at >=[
Not really, Gyarados can sweep and wall. I even stalled out Ubers team with it and swept through walls. +1 Waterfal in rain hits harder than +1 Salamence's Outrage.I Things like Jellicent and Gyarados don't have that niche; Jellicent is mostly outclassed by Giratina and Ghost-Arceus, Gyarados has a pretty awful chance of sweeping and its defenses are just too poor to switch into almost anything.