DP Research Thread #1 ("Old")

[AJC]

magic guard only prevents indirect damage (from what was listed on the first page of this topic) and nothing else (also you will do 50% to yourself with belly drum)

 

[ΩDonut]

ok, what about magic guard?

If our description doesn't say it blocks anything else, then it doesn't block anything else.

Except for Belly Drum, which AJC so helpfully pointed out.

 

[Team Rocket Elite]

Ingrain removes Ground type immunity from Levitate. I'm not sure if it does so for Flying types as well, but it's probable.

Edit: From a Japanese site:
Punishment Base Power = 60 + (20 * # of power ups)
Max power = 200
Min power = 60

I tested as follows:

Lv100 Infernape - 206 Atk
Lv100 Blissey - 130 Def
Infernape is using Punishment.

No power ups
69, 70, 71, 73, 77, 78, 81
Power: 60

Blissey has used one X attack.
108, 200(CH), 104, 196(CH), 100, 96, 92
Power: 80

Blissey has used two X attack.
132, 237(CH), 128, 133
Power: 100

Blissey has used three X attack.
152, 161, 138, 148, 157
Power: 120

Blissey has used six X attack.
241, 467(CH), 216, 207
Power: 180

Blissey has used six X attack and three X Special.
503(CH), 268, 265, 235
Power: 200

Blissey has used one X attack and one X Special.
120, 124, 116, 117, 130, 128, 256(CH), 270(CH)
Power: 100

I forgot to check Stat downs, but I believe previous tests were good enough to rule that they have no effect.

 

[X-Act]

Thanks, TRE. I was realising that my formula wasn't 100% correct, since I used the old damage formula for it. This formula is both simpler and correct, which is something I like. Thanks also for the fact that I don't need to test it again. :)

 

[Samson]

wow, the ingrain thing is awesome. it's too bad cradily doesn't learn Earth Power =/

 

[Peterko]

I know I´m turning into a bad news guy...don´t blame me, this should´ve been tested a long time ago...here´s another "wrong" ability

SNIPER

it doesn´t double CHs...for 4x dmg, but triples damage...in the damage formula this could be written as CH modifier = 3, or 1.5x boost after the 2x CH modifier, but not before

TEST: double battle
level 50 skorupi, 57 attack, cross poison
vs
level 100 chansey, 20 defense

CH damage I got: 348, 372, 363, 391, 387, 400

calced 1.5x level boost (in the formula) CH damage: 328-387
calced 1.5x move power boost CH damage: 339-399
calced 1.5x attack boost CH damage: 336-396
calced 1.5x boost after /50, before +2 in the formula CH damage: 336-396
calced 1.5x boost after CH modifier, before random modifier CH damage: 339, 343, 348, 351, 355, 360, 363, 367, 372, 375, 379, 384, 387, 391, 396, 400
calced 1.5x boost after random modifier CH damage: 339-400, but can´t get 348, 363 and 372

by the way, here the number of CHs I got: 2/20, 3/20, 5/20

 

[Boa1891]

wow, the ingrain thing is awesome. it's too bad cradily doesn't learn Earth Power =/

I think he means if the levitator uses ingrain, similar to an iron orb. It would make zero sense for ingrain to remove your opponents' immunity.

 

[Samson]

ah. so that only effects carnivine. dandy, i suppose =/

 

[Suikama]

wow, the ingrain thing is awesome. it's too bad cradily doesn't learn Earth Power =/

I think it means on yourself. IE. Your not floating anymore since you ingrained into the ground.

 

[Boa1891]

ah. so that only effects carnivine. dandy, i suppose =/

Or something that got levitate move-swapped to it, technically.

I should try Flying+Mimic+Ingrain and see if it removes ground immunity. Might test it tomorrow if no one gets to it first.

 

[ΩDonut]

Or something that got levitate move-swapped to it, technically.

I should try Flying+Mimic+Ingrain and see if it removes ground immunity. Might test it tomorrow if no one gets to it first.

It would be easier to get a Baton Pass+Ingrain Smeargle and pass it around to other members of the team.

 

[Jibaku]

Or something that got levitate move-swapped to it, technically.

I should try Flying+Mimic+Ingrain and see if it removes ground immunity. Might test it tomorrow if no one gets to it first.

I'll test it right now with Chatot
EDIT: Yes, it gets hit. My Groudon just hit Chatot with Quake

 

[Team Rocket Elite]

Cradily used Ingrain!
Chatot used Mimic!

Cradily switches to Metagross. (Cradily has a Shed Shell)
Chatot used Ingrain!

Metagross used Earthquake!
Chatot gets killed.


I tried it again using ThunderPunch, it was Super Effective. It only removes Ground immunity, not the Flying type altogether.

 

[Jibaku]

Mine was this:
Chatot and Lileep vs. Machop and Meditite
Chatot used Chatter! Machop fainted!
Lileep used Ingrain!

Chatot used Mimic!
Lileep used Ingrain!
But if failed!

Chatot used Ingrain!
Lileep used Ingrain!
But it failed!

Chatot destroyed Lileep with Chatter

I sent out Groudon

Groudon used Earthquake! Chatot fainted!

 

[Cassius]

How does grass knot work?

 

[Rodan-]

How does grass knot work?

Go here>>http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=355356
All your questions should be answered.

 

[Arseus]

Exactly, but maybe Chatter does not maximize at 100% confusion rate after all. Maybe the maximum would be a mere 20% or whatever. That's why it's better to look directly at the code.

I just tried using Chatter 200 times against various Pokémon seen East of Survival Area, and it confused 0 times! I'm not quite sure if I have tested enough (I've never tested moves before), but I would think that would do something after 200 tries. I was using the default cry, as well. I guess we should leave Chatter for those who can look at the coding, as you said.

 

[Phuquoph]

I made this list of Natural Gift and the berries it uses based on TRE's earlier list, but this is a bit more clear.

60 Base Power

01. Cheri Berry (Fire)
02. Chesto Berry (Water)
03. Pecha Berry (Electric)
04. Rawst Berry (Grass)
05. Aspear Berry (Ice)
06. Leppa Berry (Fighting)
07. Oran Berry (Poison)
08. Persim Berry (Ground)
09. Lum Berry (Flying)
10. Sitrus Berry (Psychic)
11. Figy Berry (Bug)
12. Wiki Berry (Rock)
13. Mago Berry (Ghost)
14. Aguav Berry (Dragon)
15. Iapapa Berry (Dark)
16. Razz Berry (Steel)
36. Occa Berry (Fire)
37. Passho Berry (Water)
38. Wacan Berry (Electric)
39. Rindo Berry (Grass)
40. Yache Berry (Ice)
41. Chople Berry (Fighting)
42. Kebia Berry (Poison)
43. Shuca Berry (Ground)
44. Coba Berry (Flying)
45. Payapa Berry (Psychic)
46. Tanga Berry (Bug)
47. Charti Berry (Rock)
48. Kasib Berry (Ghost)
49. Haban Berry (Dragon)
50. Colbur Berry (Dark)
51. Babiri Berry (Steel)
52. Chilan Berry (Normal)

70 Base Power

17. Bluk Berry (Fire)
18. Nanab Berry (Water)
19. Wepear Berry (Electric)
20. Pinap Berry (Grass)
21. Pomeg Berry (Ice)
22. Kelpsy Berry (Fighting)
23. Qualot Berry (Poison)
24. Hondew Berry (Ground)
25. Grepa Berry (Flying)
26. Tamato Berry (Psychic)
27. Cornn Berry (Bug)
28. Magost Berry (Rock)
29. Rabuta Berry (Ghost)
30. Nomel Berry (Dragon)
31. Spelon Berry (Dark)
32. Pamtre Berry (Steel)

80 BP

33. Watmel Berry (Fire)
34. Durin Berry (Water)
35. Belue Berry (Electric)
53. Liechi Berry (Grass)
54. Ganlon Berry (Ice)
55. Salac Berry (Fighting)
56. Petaya Berry (Poison)
57. Apicot Berry (Ground)
58. Lansat Berry (Flying)
59. Starf Berry (Psychic)
60. Enigma Berry (Bug)

No information on the last four.

61. Micle Berry
62. Custap Berry
63. Jaboca Berry
64. Rowap Berry

 

[AJC]

last four are 80 BP rock ghost dragon and dark respectively there isn't a 80 bp berry for steel

 

[Blackbeltsam]

last four are rock ghost dragon and dark there isn't a berry for steel

What Power level are the last four at?

 

[Suikama]

last four are 80 BP rock ghost dragon and dark respectively there isn't a 80 bp berry for steel

Nor is there a 70 or 80 power berry for Normal for that matter.

 

[obi]

Alright, expect a consolidation of all this stuff soon.

 

[X-Act]

I know I´m turning into a bad news guy...don´t blame me, this should´ve been tested a long time ago...here´s another "wrong" ability

SNIPER

it doesn´t double CHs...for 4x dmg, but triples damage...in the damage formula this could be written as CH modifier = 3, or 1.5x boost after the 2x CH modifier, but not before

TEST: double battle
level 50 skorupi, 57 attack, cross poison
vs
level 100 chansey, 20 defense

CH damage I got: 348, 372, 363, 391, 387, 400

calced 1.5x level boost (in the formula) CH damage: 328-387
calced 1.5x move power boost CH damage: 339-399
calced 1.5x attack boost CH damage: 336-396
calced 1.5x boost after /50, before +2 in the formula CH damage: 336-396
calced 1.5x boost after CH modifier, before random modifier CH damage: 339, 343, 348, 351, 355, 360, 363, 367, 372, 375, 379, 384, 387, 391, 396, 400
calced 1.5x boost after random modifier CH damage: 339-400, but can´t get 348, 363 and 372

by the way, here the number of CHs I got: 2/20, 3/20, 5/20

Not to be devil's advocate or anything, but maybe... just maybe... Sniper works this way in 2vs2 only?

 

[Arseus]

Are there actually any effects on the status Freeze due to weather conditions?

One user thinks that his Blizzard freezes more in Hail, for example. And would Sunny Day cut Freeze time, Rain Dance perhaps extending it? Would Sandstorm do anything at all?

Sorry if this has been asked already; I searched this thread and found no discussion of the sort on this. Also, I remember some discussion on the topic when D/P first came out in Japan.

 

[sanjay120]

it doesn´t double CHs...for 4x dmg, but triples damage...in the damage formula this could be written as CH modifier = 3, or 1.5x boost after the 2x CH modifier, but not before

Fuck. First Adaptability, then Solid Rock, then Rivalry, now this.

Does GF hate new traits for some reason? What happened to the good old 1.5x boost from Guts? And Marvel Scale?