Haha, we both made mistakes. How on earth could I forget boomburst??
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Kyurem now gets protean with unholy 130 offenses and much better bulk than greninja. Maybe a special set with Draco/Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Shadow Ball could work giving him very good coverage and STAB on every move, plus the fact that it could trade his weaknesses to fighting and rock into an immunity or resistance by using focus blast or Sball. Still has its cons like SR weakness and poor speed.
We are a kind of safe since Snorlax can beat all of the ones that aren't Anti-Imposter.
252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 163-193 (53.6 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 244-288 (80.2 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
GG Rotom
252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 320-378 (87.9 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
+1 252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 476-564 (130.7 - 154.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
GG Mega Venusaur
252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 240-284 (56.6 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 360-426 (84.9 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
GG Mandibuzz
0 SpA Archeops Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Skarmory: 148-176 (44.3 - 52.6%) -- 80.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
GG Skarmory
252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 252-297 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 376-444 (53.4 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I guess you could take a chance on Chansey...
+1 252 Atk Archeops Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Omastar: 284-336 (100.7 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
PLUME REPRESENT
+1 252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 244-288 (80.2 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
GG Rotom
252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 320-378 (87.9 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
+1 252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 476-564 (130.7 - 154.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
GG Mega Venusaur
252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 240-284 (56.6 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 360-426 (84.9 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
GG Mandibuzz
0 SpA Archeops Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Skarmory: 148-176 (44.3 - 52.6%) -- 80.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
GG Skarmory
252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 252-297 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 376-444 (53.4 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I guess you could take a chance on Chansey...
+1 252 Atk Archeops Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Omastar: 284-336 (100.7 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
PLUME REPRESENT
Also its crazy fast (110 base speed :o)
Basically Archeops is a real deal threat.
Since practically all of the threatening sweepers have been mentioned, here are the calcs, since everybody uses calcs to make team choices ofc:
Greninja
252+ Atk Life Orb Pure Power Greninja Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 263-309 (62 - 72.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Pure Power Greninja Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 173-204 (51.7 - 61%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Yeah...when a physical attacker can 2HKO two of the biggest physical walls, something is wrong. (adaptability crawdaunt is irrelevant)
Feraligatr
Feraligatr looks more threatening with its new ability: tough claws. Basically it has turned into one of the more powerful rain sweepers.
252+ Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory in Rain: 183-216 (54.7 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz in Rain: 220-259 (51.8 - 61%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Remember that both these walls have completely useless abilities (blaze, overgrow, white smoke, etc.)
But first you have to get dusclops out of the way before you sweep with either of these.
Greninja
252+ Atk Life Orb Pure Power Greninja Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 263-309 (62 - 72.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Pure Power Greninja Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 173-204 (51.7 - 61%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Yeah...when a physical attacker can 2HKO two of the biggest physical walls, something is wrong. (adaptability crawdaunt is irrelevant)
Feraligatr
Feraligatr looks more threatening with its new ability: tough claws. Basically it has turned into one of the more powerful rain sweepers.
252+ Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory in Rain: 183-216 (54.7 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz in Rain: 220-259 (51.8 - 61%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Remember that both these walls have completely useless abilities (blaze, overgrow, white smoke, etc.)
But first you have to get dusclops out of the way before you sweep with either of these.
Sap Sipper Garchomp which mega evolves to Sand Rush Mega Chomp o.O
Excadrill can set up sand, which is good since it's p. decent anyway
Excadrill can set up sand, which is good since it's p. decent anyway
252 Atk Life Orb Pure Power Greninja Night Slash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Gourgeist-Super: 152-179 (40.6 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
I can already see that gourgeist will be one of my favorite mons in this meta.
There's also:
I can already see that gourgeist will be one of my favorite mons in this meta.
There's also:
- PerishTrap Meloetta, which works well with meloetta's excellent special bulk.
- Thick Fat Kyurem-b, making it the only dragon to resist ice, and giving it a resistance to BoltBeam.
- Shadow Tag Skymin. Need I say more?
- Protean Deoxy-S. Did you think Protean Greninja was scary? This is basically standard Greninja, except with the ability to go mixed by virtue of needing to invest so little in speed to keep up, and it is, of course, much faster.
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Thoughts:
1. Shadow Tag Eviolite Chansey beats most special sweepers.
2. Multiscale Salamence is a more offensive version of Multiscale Dragonite in standard OU
3. Specs Exploud no longer has a problem spamming Boomburst thanks to Speed Boost. Just get rid of ghosts first.
4. Electivire now has the niche of being the best Moxie abuser.
5. Purugly is now a better Persian, though it probably won't see much use over the other abusers of Parental Bond.
6. Muk and Dragalge get Prankster Haze (Muk needs verification as Poison Touch is a hidden ability and Haze is a Gen V egg move)
7. Teravolt Noivern, Medicham and Gardevoir replace the old mold breakers (there's also Musharna and Beeheyem but they suck).
8. Victory Star Tyranitar and Mega Aerodactyl appreciate less stone misses.
Trolls:
1. Turboblaze Slaking and Sniper Regigigas Banned.
2. Flare boost on fire types only.
3. Levitate on grass types only.
4. None of the pokemon that gained Contrary have a way to abuse it.
5. Everything that gets Marvel Scale has at least one 4x weakness (unless you use Nosepass lol).
6. No Guard becomes Normalise (RIP Doublade, can't check ghosts with shadow sneak anymore)
7. Previous users of Speed Boost now have Stall... oh the irony
8. It's probably worth unbanning Kyogre now that it gets Drought (LOL)
1. Shadow Tag Eviolite Chansey beats most special sweepers.
2. Multiscale Salamence is a more offensive version of Multiscale Dragonite in standard OU
3. Specs Exploud no longer has a problem spamming Boomburst thanks to Speed Boost. Just get rid of ghosts first.
4. Electivire now has the niche of being the best Moxie abuser.
5. Purugly is now a better Persian, though it probably won't see much use over the other abusers of Parental Bond.
6. Muk and Dragalge get Prankster Haze (Muk needs verification as Poison Touch is a hidden ability and Haze is a Gen V egg move)
7. Teravolt Noivern, Medicham and Gardevoir replace the old mold breakers (there's also Musharna and Beeheyem but they suck).
8. Victory Star Tyranitar and Mega Aerodactyl appreciate less stone misses.
Trolls:
2. Flare boost on fire types only.
3. Levitate on grass types only.
4. None of the pokemon that gained Contrary have a way to abuse it.
5. Everything that gets Marvel Scale has at least one 4x weakness (unless you use Nosepass lol).
6. No Guard becomes Normalise (RIP Doublade, can't check ghosts with shadow sneak anymore)
7. Previous users of Speed Boost now have Stall... oh the irony
8. It's probably worth unbanning Kyogre now that it gets Drought (LOL)
Dragalge seems like the better user anyway, since it can serve a more major role than Muk can with it's special bulk.OP said:
Purugly actually has a serious niche in that it is the only pokemon with access to both parental bond and super fang other than smeargle, and has much better speed than smeargle. Alongside PB foul play, and taunt access, I can see it being a decent threat.
Kit Kasai
Love colored magic
More stuffz:
Natural Cure Cofagrigus is gonna be tough to take down
[more edits coming for ideas]
but seriously how do you beat this:
Venomoth @ Black Sludge
Ability: Simple
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Spd / 8 SDef (I thinks that's the right evs, can't check right now)
- Quiver Dance
- Baton Pass
- Sleep Powder
- Bug Buzz / Giga Drain
Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: No Guard
- Thunder
- Blizzard
- Hydro Pump
- Idk? Psyshock maybe?
Natural Cure Cofagrigus is gonna be tough to take down
[more edits coming for ideas]
but seriously how do you beat this:
Venomoth @ Black Sludge
Ability: Simple
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Spd / 8 SDef (I thinks that's the right evs, can't check right now)
- Quiver Dance
- Baton Pass
- Sleep Powder
- Bug Buzz / Giga Drain
Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: No Guard
- Thunder
- Blizzard
- Hydro Pump
- Idk? Psyshock maybe?
Just some observations
- Speed Boost Abomasnow
- Flame Body Mega Aggron sounds like a scary physical wall
- Flare Boost is now distributed exclusively to Fire-Types that can't be burned XD
- Pixilate Linoone with Belly Drum Extremespeed
- Poison Heal Klinklang
- Gale Wings Furfrou (it learns zero flying types moves except HP flying)
- Assuming Zen Mode goes back to A then Adaptability Darmanitan!
- Tinted Lens Mega-Venasaur
- Speed Boost Abomasnow
- Flame Body Mega Aggron sounds like a scary physical wall
- Flare Boost is now distributed exclusively to Fire-Types that can't be burned XD
- Pixilate Linoone with Belly Drum Extremespeed
- Poison Heal Klinklang
- Gale Wings Furfrou (it learns zero flying types moves except HP flying)
- Assuming Zen Mode goes back to A then Adaptability Darmanitan!
- Tinted Lens Mega-Venasaur
Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Parental Bond
EVs: 252 Hp / 4 Def / 252 Spe
-Spore
-Quiver Dance/Super Fang
-Metal Burst
-Baton Pass/Seismic Toss
Since metal burst does 1.5x the damage you take, and parental bond doubles that with no damage reduction, smeargle can do 3x the damage he takes (up to about 900 damage)... Anything slower than you can get spored, anything faster can get ohkod with metal burst if they deal damage to you. Quiver Pass would be good to hide your metal burst until later in the game when you need to revenge kill something, or you could abuse the 2hko of super fang seismic toss if you wanted to :o
Ability: Parental Bond
EVs: 252 Hp / 4 Def / 252 Spe
-Spore
-Quiver Dance/Super Fang
-Metal Burst
-Baton Pass/Seismic Toss
Since metal burst does 1.5x the damage you take, and parental bond doubles that with no damage reduction, smeargle can do 3x the damage he takes (up to about 900 damage)... Anything slower than you can get spored, anything faster can get ohkod with metal burst if they deal damage to you. Quiver Pass would be good to hide your metal burst until later in the game when you need to revenge kill something, or you could abuse the 2hko of super fang seismic toss if you wanted to :o
New cool wall breaker: specs Glaceon. Now that it has snow warning it can smash everything with blizzard. Also, sturdy Tyrantrum, perhaps to let him setup a DD easier.
MegaHera is completely nerfed with slow start :(
Also noticed that accelgor gets storm drain for an immunity and SpA boost
MegaHera is completely nerfed with slow start :(
Also noticed that accelgor gets storm drain for an immunity and SpA boost
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metal burst works with pbond?
also uh adept darm is cool but honestly cb still dies to like every scarfer ever and it doesn't even fix darmanitan's biggest issue of pathetic bulk
there's still hidden potential in this meta: for example you have snow warning glaceon now who gets to spam nevermiss blizzards off 130 spa.
also uh yeah is anyone still on the free yveltal thing? i think it might be possible given that it has a debilitating ability in defeatist, has an SR weakness, and is something like archeops in standard (though a lot bulkier)
is the added bulk + oblivion wing worth keeping yveltal banned? because without dark aura his dark moves hit for 75% damage than usual. i think it's really worth a test...
also uh adept darm is cool but honestly cb still dies to like every scarfer ever and it doesn't even fix darmanitan's biggest issue of pathetic bulk
there's still hidden potential in this meta: for example you have snow warning glaceon now who gets to spam nevermiss blizzards off 130 spa.
also uh yeah is anyone still on the free yveltal thing? i think it might be possible given that it has a debilitating ability in defeatist, has an SR weakness, and is something like archeops in standard (though a lot bulkier)
is the added bulk + oblivion wing worth keeping yveltal banned? because without dark aura his dark moves hit for 75% damage than usual. i think it's really worth a test...
EV
Banned deucer.
160 HP + stats of opponent's Pokemon = baller (especially if they have set up)
Imposter copies all the opponent's stats besides HP. And since Snorlax has an incredible HP stats, chances are you'll win against anything 1v1, given that you will almost certainly have better stats than your opponent.
I don't know about you guys, but I wanna be able to team build and the link to the list isn't cutting it for me so:
I'll finish this later when I have more time. :P
BOLD is good (on that Pokemon so it isn't always Viable)
NORMAL TEXT is not as good
NORMAL TEXT is not as good
Darmanitan, Darmanitan (Zen)
Basculin (Blue-Striped), Basculin (Red-Striped), Corphish, Crawdaunt,Eevee, Feebas, Mega Lucario, Porygon-Z
Mega Pinsir
Drifblim, Drifloon, Electrode, Garbodor, Skuntank, Stunky, Trubbish, Voltorb
Rayquaza
Beheeyem, Elgyem, Magnemite, Magneton, Magnezone, Patrat, Porygon, Porygon-Z, Porygon2, Starmie, Staryu, Watchog
Camerupt, Krokorok, Krookodile, Mankey, Primeape, Sandile, Tauros
Barboach, Croagunk, Eevee, Toxicroak, Whiscash, Wormadam (Plant),Wormadam (Sandy), Wormadam (Trash)
Diglett, Dugtrio, Trapinch
Aromatisse, Spritzee
Zygarde
Darkrai
Anorith, Armaldo, Cubone, Drapion, Kabuto, Kabutops, Marowak, Skorupi
Chatot, Ducklett, Fletchling, Mandibuzz, Pidgeot, Pidgeotto, Pidgey, Pidove, Swanna, Tranquill, Unfezant, Vullaby
Blaziken, Braixen, Charizard, Charmander, Charmeleon, Chimchar,Combusken, Cyndaquil, Delphox, Emboar, Fennekin, Infernape,Monferno, Pansear, Pignite, Quilava, Simisear, Tepig, Torchic,Typhlosion
Chesnaught, Chespin, Quilladin
Bunnelby, Dedenne, Diggersby
Bellossom, Bellsprout, Bulbasaur, Cherubi, Cottonee, Deerling,Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Gloom, Hoppip, Ivysaur, Jumpluff, Leafeon, Leavanny, Lilligant, Maractus, Nuzleaf, Oddish, Petilil, Sawsbuck, Seedot, Sewaddle, Shiftry, Skiploom, Sunflora, Sunkern, Swadloon, Tangela, Tangrowth, Tropius, Venusaur, Victreebel, Vileplume,Weepinbell, Whimsicott
Beldum, Carbink, Klang, Klink, Klinklang, Metagross, Metang, Regice, Regirock, Registeel, Tentacool, Tentacruel
Altaria, Golduck, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Psyduck, Swablu
Kecleon
Gothita, Gothitelle, Gothorita, Jigglypuff, Meowstic (Female), Wigglytuff
Butterfree, Dustox, Galvantula, Joltik, Nincada, Scatterbug, Venonat, Vivillon, Yanma
Inkay, Malamar, Serperior, Servine, Shuckle, Snivy, Spinda
Banette, Frillish, Froslass, Jellicent, Shuppet
Cinccino, Clefable, Clefairy, Cleffa, Delcatty, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff,Lopunny, Milotic, Minccino, Skitty, Sylveon, Wigglytuff
Frillish, Golduck, Horsea, Jellicent, Kingdra, Marshtomp, Mudkip, Paras, Parasect, Politoed, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Psyduck,Quagsire, Seadra, Swampert, Wooper
Yvetal
Archen, Archeops
Bisharp, Braviary, Empoleon, Farfetch'd, Mankey, Pawniard, Piplup, Primeape, Prinplup, Purugly, Thundurus (Incarnate), Tornadus (Incarnate)
Genesect, Porygon, Porygon-Z, Porygon2
Kyogre, Politoed
Groudon, Mega Charizard Y, Ninetales, Vulpix
Croagunk, Heliolisk, Helioptile, Jynx, Paras, Parasect, Toxicroak
Dodrio, Doduo, Girafarig, Houndoom, Houndour, Kangaskhan, Ledian,Ledyba, Natu, Nuzleaf, Seedot, Shiftry, Sunflora, Sunkern, Xatu
Amoonguss, Breloom, Foongus, Paras, Parasect, Shroomish, Vileplume
Xerneas
Mega Aggron, Mime Jr., Mr. Mime
Chandelure, Fletchinder, Heatran, Lampent, Larvesta, Litwick, Magby, Magcargo, Magmar, Magmortar, Moltres, Ponyta, Rapidash, Slugma, Talonflame, Volcarona
Drifblim, Drifloon
Arcanine, Chandelure, Cyndaquil, Entei, Flareon, Growlithe, Heatmor, Heatran, Houndoom, Houndour, Lampent, Litwick, Ninetales, Ponyta, Quilava, Rapidash, Typhlosion, Vulpix
Cherrim
Flabébé, Floette, Florges
Castform, Castform (Rain), Castform (Snow-Cloud), Castform (Sunny)
Drowzee, Hypno, Jynx, Munna, Musharna, Smoochum
Clefairy, Cleffa, Happiny, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, Scatterbug, Spewpa, Vivillon
Banette, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Duskull, Furret, Gothita, Gothitelle, Gothorita, Gourgeist (Average), Gourgeist (Large), Gourgeist (Small), Gourgeist (Super), Noibat, Noivern, Phantump, Pumpkaboo (Average),Pumpkaboo (Large), Pumpkaboo (Small), Pumpkaboo (Super), Sentret, Shuppet, Stantler, Trevenant, Wigglytuff, Yanma, Yanmega
Furfrou
Fletchinder, Fletchling, Talonflame
Bellsprout, Grumpig, Gulpin, Heatmor, Linoone, Munchlax, Panpour, Pansage, Pansear, Shuckle, Simipour, Simisage, Simisear, Snorlax, Spoink, Swalot, Victreebel, Weepinbell, Zigzagoon
Goodra, Goomy, Sliggoo
Gogoat, Skiddo
Conkeldurr, Flareon, Gurdurr, Hariyama, Heracross, Larvitar, Luxio, Luxray, Machamp, Machoke, Machop, Makuhita, Raticate, Rattata, Shinx, Swellow, Taillow, Throh, Timburr, Tyrogue, Ursaring
Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Phantump, Trevenant, Tropius
Alomomola, Aromatisse, Audino, Bellossom, Blissey, Chansey, Spritzee
Bronzong, Bronzor
Aggron, Aron, Bronzong, Bronzor, Lairon
Combee, Teddiursa
Azumarill, Azurill, Bunnelby, Diggersby, Marill, Mega Mawile
Combee, Corsola, Darumaka, Deino, Delibird, Durant, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nidorina, Nidorino, Raticate, Rattata, Remoraid, Rufflet,Togekiss, Togepi, Togetic, Zweilous
Accelgor, Alomomola, Barboach, Dewgong, Ducklett, Goodra, Goomy,Gorebyss, Lapras, Luvdisc, Manaphy, Palpitoad, Phione, Seel, Shelmet,Sliggoo, Smoochum, Swanna, Tympole, Vaporeon, Whiscash
Corphish, Crawdaunt, Gligar, Gliscor, Kingler, Krabby, Mawile, Pinsir, Trapinch
Avalugg, Bergmite, Dewgong, Glaceon, Glalie, Regice, Sealeo, Seel, Snorunt, Spheal, Vanillish, Vanillite, Vanilluxe, Walrein
Chinchou, Lanturn, Starmie, Staryu, Volbeat, Watchog
Zoroark, Zorua
Gligar, Snorlax, Zangoose
Ditto
Cottonee, Crobat, Espurr, Golbat, Hoppip, Inkay, Jumpluff, Malamar,Meowstic (Female), Meowstic (Male), Ninjask, Noibat, Noivern,Seviper, Skiploom, Spiritomb, Whimsicott, Zubat
Abra, Alakazam, Bisharp, Crobat, Darumaka, Dragonite, Drowzee,Farfetch'd, Girafarig, Glalie, Golbat, Hitmonchan, Hypno, Kadabra,Kangaskhan, Lucario, Mienfoo, Mienshao, Pawniard, Riolu, Sawk,Sneasel, Snorunt, Throh, Umbreon, Zubat
I'll finish this later when I have more time. :P
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SpartanMalice
Y'all jokers must be crazy
A few things.
None of those fire mons can abuse flare boost, even the ones you bolded. Second, can we actually start with Darmanitan-Zen? It sounds great in practice but now that Zen mode is gone, dunno if it's usable (much like Melo-P).
Anyway, Milotic had competitive in regular meta (just checked in teambuilder), so now it gets compoundeyes, along with offensive stuff like Blizzard and Hydro Pump, and support means like Dtail and Toxic. Looking good.
None of those fire mons can abuse flare boost, even the ones you bolded. Second, can we actually start with Darmanitan-Zen? It sounds great in practice but now that Zen mode is gone, dunno if it's usable (much like Melo-P).
Anyway, Milotic had competitive in regular meta (just checked in teambuilder), so now it gets compoundeyes, along with offensive stuff like Blizzard and Hydro Pump, and support means like Dtail and Toxic. Looking good.
Though we cant use it Zen is legit so I just put it in anyway, and the fire types can switch in on fire and then basically destroy souls if scarfed. Basically extra immunities are always good imo.
Here are some thing that caught my eye on an overview. I'll try posting sets later.
+ Adaptability
+ Arena Trap
+ Drought
+ Eviolite + Fur Coat
+ Protean
+ Imposter
+ Intimidate
+ Magic guard
+ Moxie
+ Natural Cure
+ Parental Bond
+ Prankster
+ Prankster
+ Pure Power
+ Rough Skin
+ Shadow Tag
+ Simple
+ Sniper
+ Speed Boost
+ Wonder Guard
Best Revenge Killer in the tier, which can put holes even in walls.
Whiscash gets Dragon Dance. Switching into a Scarfed Electric move or into a mon which it counters could very well spell doom to the opponent.
shhhh
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Night Slash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Fur Coat Dusclops: 64-75 (22.5 - 26.4%) -- 14.8% chance to 4HKO
Protean ExtremeSpeed is great. Entei also gets a variety of other moves to use. A defensive spread with Protean sounds deadly.
Oh Dear Lord! Rather than the usual Scarf, if you switch in on something that has set up and manage to win the speed tie and take it out, you're pretty much unstoppable.. except for Dragagle.
Intimidate is always great on a Defensive mon. Plus it also gets WoW.
Hm.. not bad I guess.
Has a good Attack. Can work very well with a Scarf.
Once again, a blessing of an ability for a Defensive mon.
You know how broken Parental Bond is. Put that next to Quiver Dance and you've broken it more!
This thing could have a huge niche in this Meta, much like Thundurus in Alphabet Cup. Prankster Haze is the game-breaker. But it also gets Prankster Acid Armor, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Venom Drench etc.,
Prankster Substitute + Bulk Up? Yes please! Also has amazing coverage with Drain Punch and Sucker Punch. Prankster Substitute makes sure that it is never burned. Unfortunately, Haze ignores substitute and once again, Dragagle counters this.
You know what this is capable of doing. But one more important thing: Banded Pure Power U-Turn hurts like a bitch.
Not essentially better than Sturdy, but viable on a Defensive mon, especially something as bulky as Steelix.
Very much ban-worthy. It can basically switch into any Special Attack with its phenomenal bulk and take them down with Toxic+Soft Boiled+Seismic Toss.
Simple Quiver Dance sounds like something from Balanced Hackmons, but here it is, entirely legit.
Anything other than Slow Start and this thing is a huge threat.
Access to Swords Dance and a decent 55 Base Speed makes it completely viable in this tier.
Best Stealth Rocker and Spinner in the tier, imo. Also gets Shell Smash, but its abysmal speed is a bit disappointing. But if you play it right and scout a bit, you can win quite comfortably with Wonder Guard. It also gets Iron Defense and Amnesia, which come in handy.
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SpartanMalice
Y'all jokers must be crazy
Wait what? I thought Flare Boost was just like guts, that it only grants you a SpA boost if you are burned, which fire types can't be. I don't think it's an immunity, is it ?
Also I think Flower Gift is hardcoded to work only for Cherrim, so yeah (a friend of mine tested it out on Terrakion in Ability Exchange once). That being said yeah, Whiscash is pretty scary.