If we are talking about those buildings, I can introduce you to Quick Claw Horn Drill Rhydon from Battle TowerThis is not really a specific NPC but all the Double Team + Static Emolga's in BW's battle subway. Whitney was also a bitch back in the day but nowadays I just use a Geodude.
I agree, that battle was brutal. The way I always won it when I was little (before I knew the importance of training something other than your starter) was by spamming Mud-slap until Grovyle was at -6 Accuracy and never hit. Of course now I just raise a Taillow and it utterly destroys it.in sapphire and ruby the rival battle under the bike bridge. i had huge trouble tryign to take down may. idk why it was terrible
had that problem until i thought of picking up a scraggy, helped a ton. on my nuzlocke, i just used rock smash snorlax because i didn't want to go back and buy bulldozeI've gotta agree with that post about Elesa, actually I think it's mostly volt switch that wrecks you. Clemont does the same thing with his Emolga. On my most recent run of X I hadn't prepared for him really well so my best 'mon was my Solrock. Turn one I select Rock Slide but his Volt Switch out-speeds me so I end up hitting Magneton on the switch. Whatever, I'll just hit it with Bulldoze like I had planned to anyway. Nope! He also out-speeds and gets the KO with Mirror Shot. At least he only had Volt Switch on Emolga though. Elesa had it on everything and would just spam it. You couldn't hit Zebstrika (or Flaffy) for super effective damage because it was so fast you'd just hit Emolga on the switch. And of course you'd just end up paralysed from Static of you tried to go physical on them!
The first time I played Grant he swept me with his Tyrunt. Strong Jaws Bite does big damage at that point in the game. Rock/dragon typing is pretty good defensively too, and can take a good neutral hit so it not only hurts everything but is a pain to take out as well
Are you talking about the ones in Diamond and Pearl on Route 215? With the Gyarados? I actually didn't pick up Diamond for my first game and knew what I was doing when I hit them.Ace Trainers Dennis and Maya. It must have taken over 30 minutes to wallbreak that (can't remember which mons or version that was) the first time I faced it, when hyper offense was the only playstyle I knew. In the other games, it was easy.
Cyrus in Celestic Town. I never bothered to train up a Ponyta or Machop, and I started with Turtwig.
Comments in bold.-Gardenia: Thank god Roserade doesn't have Technician in Gen IV because otherwise this would be impossible. The first time I played through I blacked out ten times here. And yes, I had a lv. 25 Staravia. Turtwig has Reflect, Cherrim has Leech Seed, and Roserade has that giant Special Attack.
Had trouble with that one in one of my games. Then I traded over a level 50 Infernape because Prinplup's Drill Peck wasn't enough to offset the Grass weakness. And I was a complete noob back then, I only really used my starter.
-Fantina: Mismagius tho. Duskull with its Will-O-Wisp doesn't exactly help. Not to mention that 2 Magical Leafs+2 hit self in confusion=dead Staravia.
When I played that one in Pearl, Infernape survived on ONE HP. And it was poisoned.
-Candice: Abomasnow, followed by Froslass. Froslass even has Double Team, meaning if you miss once, you're never gonna hit again. My only ---% move was Staraptor's Aerial Ace. And, well...Staraptor.
Snow Warning+Snow Cloak should be banned. Due to some completely screwed-up hax, I missed a couple of times allowing loads of Double Teams to get used. And I was using Infernape. So I brought along a Machamp.
Lenora's Watchog shouldn't be a problem considering there are like three friggin' fighting types on the forest next route. Just catch a Timburr and get it to level 20Unless you grind a lot, Lenora's Watchog is a nightmare to take out. I remember having a lot of trouble with Bugsy in my very first run of Silver (I was 6 or something, first Pokemon game ever) despite starting with Cyndaquil. Never had trouble with it after that though.
Any gym is easy if you know what to expect and plan accordingly. A lot of these stories are coming from people's first playthroughs, which in that case lead to a lot of difficult battles. In my first play of White I started with Tepig and even Pignite couldn't save me from that Watchog and so I lost to her a couple times before winning. That's what makes her a relatively hard NPC. Who on their first play of a game reaches a town with a gym, skips it to visit the next route, catches something there, grinds it and takes it back to win? I always hate these rebuttals along the lines of 'come on chump that gym is easy if you go and do all these extra things first'.Lenora's Watchog shouldn't be a problem considering there are like three friggin' fighting types on the forest next route. Just catch a Timburr and get it to level 20
Quite a few of these gyms mentioned are hard every time you go through them. Juan has trolled me this way on every single playthrough, and Platinum is hard even if you know what you're doing. Lenora, on the other hand, isn't the least bit hard if you caught the right mons early-game.Any gym is easy if you know what to expect and plan accordingly. A lot of these stories are coming from people's first playthroughs, which in that case lead to a lot of difficult battles. In my first play of White I started with Tepig and even Pignite couldn't save me from that Watchog and so I lost to her a couple times before winning. That's what makes her a relatively hard NPC. Who on their first play of a game reaches a town with a gym, skips it to visit the next route, catches something there, grinds it and takes it back to win? I always hate these rebuttals along the lines of 'come on chump that gym is easy if you go and do all these extra things first'.
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I always hate these rebuttals along the lines of 'come on chump that gym is easy if you go and do all these extra things first'.
This is what I'm talking about. The average player going through Unova isn't going to take these things into consideration. I know a lot of us here have played the games a million times and plan for this stuff in advance which makes it easy, but (believe it or not) there are people who don't stock up on X-items in Nacrene or catch Rogenrolla in advance. You may be doing a Nuzlocke and not have the luxury of being able to catch one. And I've definitely forgotten that she spams Retaliate and lost something to it. This is what makes her difficult relative to that point in the game.Lenora, on the other hand, isn't the least bit hard if you caught the right mons early-game.
This is why you should get in the habit of exploring everything ahead up until you cannot get further without a Badge. Otherwise you miss Sawk/Throh, Timburr, etc. Helps a lot in every game.This is what I'm talking about. The average player going through Unova isn't going to take these things into consideration. I know a lot of us here have played the games a million times and plan for this stuff in advance which makes it easy, but (believe it or not) there are people who don't stock up on X-items in Nacrene or catch Rogenrolla in advance. You may be doing a Nuzlocke and not have the luxury of being able to catch one. And I've definitely forgotten that she spams Retaliate and lost something to it. This is what makes her difficult relative to that point in the game.