Serious 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Who are your favorite candidates?

  • Kamala Harris

    Votes: 43 8.0%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 99 18.4%
  • Julián Castro

    Votes: 16 3.0%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 51 9.5%
  • Kirsten Gillibrand

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • John Delaney

    Votes: 9 1.7%
  • Tulsi Gabbard

    Votes: 63 11.7%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 338 62.9%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    Votes: 12 2.2%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 45 8.4%
  • Andrew Yang

    Votes: 112 20.9%
  • Cory Booker

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Marianne Williamson

    Votes: 19 3.5%
  • Mike Bloomberg

    Votes: 12 2.2%

  • Total voters
    537

termi

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No. The number one decider is tribalism. The media’s “horse race” narrative does not dictate voting behavior.
source?
Biden’s success was due to him being the front runner all race
but he wasn't?
with Democratic Party faithful voters temporarily looking elsewhere when he looked shaky in early primary states.
yeah and why did he look so shaky there? maybe cuz his campaign is terrible and would have bitten the dust if the party establishment didn't conveniently fall back in line right when it mattered most lol
Bernie’s biggest challenge winning a Democratic primary is not being “part of the team.” He could have joined the party post 2016, yet opted not to.
you really think voters who don't vote for bernie now would do so if he joined the democrats? you think something that trivial matters whatsoever? a good portion of the dem voter base isnt even registered as democrat why would they care about this shit lmao
 

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Honestly just a repeat of 2016 lol. Biden, who mistakenly referred to his wife as his sister and said he was running for US Senate, will lose the general. Centrist Dems will spend 4 more years disparaging “Bernie Bros” for somehow losing the election for a washed up senile old man, while Trump gets elected again off of populist tendencies. The reason people wanted Trump in the first place was to have a crack at establishment politicians, a “return to normalcy” is not what the electorate want and this will be reflected in a Biden v Trump general
 

termi

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idk what i find scarier, the fact that a lot of liberals seem to think that an elderly man who is genuinely losing it can win the election for them or the possibility that they may be right. if you can convince the electorate that a man with dementia is the best theyre gonna get then maybe your political system needs an overhaul by any means necessary js js
 
source?

but he wasn't?

yeah and why did he look so shaky there? maybe cuz his campaign is terrible and would have bitten the dust if the party establishment didn't conveniently fall back in line right when it mattered most lol

you really think voters who don't vote for bernie now would do so if he joined the democrats? you think something that trivial matters whatsoever? a good portion of the dem voter base isnt even registered as democrat why would they care about this shit lmao
Tribalism means falling in line. Do you accept this as fact?

Most Democratic primaries actually are closed. Yes, if Bernie participated in the party and did the work he would have more credibility with party loyalists.
 
biden's campaign absolutely has enthusiasm. just a shame it's all terribly misplaced as he can barely string a sentence together. good to see though that there are still people living in denial of what happened in 2016. moderate conservatism, which is what biden is offering in spite of the wildly distorted american overton window, will lose again to far-right populism. thank you by the way for so helpfully pointing out that yes, american politics has been polarised over the last 5-6 years. unfortunately, the general consensus among liberals seems to be that the answer is not to respond to this by swinging left, but to field someone with almost exactly the same politics as the candidate who lost 4 years ago, except this time, make it one who's brain is melting. that'll do it!
 
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Huge disappointment
Also another disappointment is Jessica Cisneros losing in her district to Cuellar who iirc is the Democrat who voted in line w Trump the most.
Biden won some states he didn't even campaign in... He literally has just been saying we can't do Bernies plans, messing up his sentences, and saying Obama. And he won Super Tuesday. The establishment hail Mary really carried him but he will likely be toast in the general.
I hope Warren getting 3rd place in her own state was worth her being a possible spoiler to Bernie and losing all support amongst progressives
 
How is this the Dem establishments fault? Young people didn’t show up. Bernies coalition was no where to be seen. If Bernie is this transcendent candidate why aren’t people showing up??? Biden won a ton of states where he put no money in and Bernie put tons of money in, comparatively. Consider the “MSM” as advertising all you want, but I saw tons of Bloomberg and Bernie ads on YouTube, Hulu, places where you reach young people ideally, and I don’t think I saw a single Biden ad, and Biden still kicked ass in Mass.

Bernie needs to do something different and not just blame the billionaire class and the establishment. There’s gotta be a policy tweak somewhere in his agenda. Gotta reach the people who are showing up

Oh, and I say this as a Sanders donor.
 
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termi

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Tribalism means falling in line. Do you accept this as fact?

Most Democratic primaries actually are closed. Yes, if Bernie participated in the party and did the work he would have more credibility with party loyalists.
u have not given a shred of evidence that "tribalism" is what determines who people vote for in the primaries. u are just parroting a narrative. show me that you did your homework or stop posting
 

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Idk what is wrong with young voters. We show up at rallies and we show up online (apparently), so why can't we at the voting booth? It's the same old story every time, but every generation has more access to information to the previous so I thought it would get better. Not worse.
being in extremely online communities can give us a warped perception and cause us to make faulty assumptions that other extremely online people who tend to be well informed/engaged are representative of the youth as a whole, when in reality this isn't remotely true. i don't doubt that most people who are heavily engaged online or showing up to rallies are very reliable voters, but the fact of the matter is that the youth as a whole are seriously disengaged/apathetic which is a pretty serious issue that is unfortunately very hard to address.
 
u have not given a shred of evidence that "tribalism" is what determines who people vote for in the primaries. u are just parroting a narrative. show me that you did your homework or stop posting
Evidence is the results. How many states did Biden win last night vs. Bernie?
 

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You morons need to realize that the reason Biden beat Sanders is that people prefer presidents with five letters in their last name. Need proof? Look how many states Biden won last night compared to Sanders. Not enough for you thick skulls? We have only had presidents with five-letter last names since 2008. This is why Clinton lost the general and Biden will win.
 
biden won the groups that turned out at far better rates in the democratic primary relative to 2016, but apparently biden's campaign is lacking enthusiasm.

something doesn't check out

also anyone who thinks one candidate is far more likely than another candidate (whether it be biden relative to sanders or sanders relative to biden) to beat donald trump in a general election is a massive hypocrite and doesn't actually understand how polarized american politics have been over the past decade, and more so the last 4 years.
***********IMO

Sanders has a 0% chance of winning Florida and Biden beat him in potential swing states last night.

There is just no way Sanders gets the Cuban vote, Florida is filled with people who fled a socialist cuban regime. Not to mention the states older demographic...

#TeamSleepyJoe
 
idk what i find scarier, the fact that a lot of liberals seem to think that an elderly man who is genuinely losing it can win the election for them or the possibility that they may be right. if you can convince the electorate that a man with dementia is the best theyre gonna get then maybe your political system needs an overhaul by any means necessary js js
I think the establishment viewed him as the path of least resistance. I don't know if he was anyone's first choice 4, 5 months ago, but I'm not sure if there is a particular demographic that Sleepy Joe has pissed off.
 
I think the establishment viewed him as the path of least resistance. I don't know if he was anyone's first choice 4, 5 months ago, but I'm not sure if there is a particular demographic that Sleepy Joe has pissed off.
Actually the polling on that was clear. Until about 2 months ago, Biden was the polling front runner for the entire cycle. Biden had poor funding and virtually no infrastructure in any of the states. That’s why he couldn’t get any party endorsements until this weekend. This is not some “establishment” fix bullshit.
 
Actually the polling on that was clear. Until about 2 months ago, Biden was the polling front runner for the entire cycle. Biden had poor funding and virtually no infrastructure in any of the states. That’s why he couldn’t get any party endorsements until this weekend. This is not some “establishment” fix bullshit.
I dont know if say Minnesota voted in the South Carolina spot that this would have unfolded.

Its interesting to consider that 60% of dem voters in south carolina were african americans. Same with more southern states (Alabama) where Biden won by a landslide. Pete was never able to get that kind of support in that demographic.
 
I dont know if say Minnesota voted in the South Carolina spot that this would have unfolded.

Its interesting to consider that 60% of dem voters in south carolina were african americans. Same with more southern states (Alabama) where Biden won by a landslide. Pete was never able to get that kind of support in that demographic.
Minnesota is like Iowa and New Hampshire. White states are not representative of the Democratic Party as a whole and should not be first in sequential order. According to 538.coms analysis, states like New Jersey, New York, and Illinois should be voting first.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ic-primary-states-looked-more-like-the-party/
 

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How is this the Dem establishments fault? Young people didn’t show up. Bernies coalition was no where to be seen. If Bernie is this transcendent candidate why aren’t people showing up??? Biden won a ton of states where he put no money in and Bernie put tons of money in, comparatively. Consider the “MSM” as advertising all you want, but I saw tons of Bloomberg and Bernie ads on YouTube, Hulu, places where you reach young people ideally, and I don’t think I saw a single Biden ad, and Biden still kicked ass in Mass.
the young people are all at work lmao, they can't take 4 hours or whatever off to stand in a queue or they'd get fired

you know, normal country things
 
the young people are all at work lmao, they can't take 4 hours or whatever off to stand in a queue or they'd get fired

you know, normal country things
I didn’t hear anything about obnoxiously long lines in MA and MN, states Bernie was projected to take. There might’ve (a big might) been some fuckary with long lines in CA and TX; is there any sort of data to suggest who left due to long lines? Otherwise I’m tempted to believe long lines is more akin to “voting twice” in that it happens on all sides enough that it doesn’t have a noticeable effect.

It’s also unlikely that job conditions that don’t allow for voting apply to the youth vote anymore than it does say, black voters, who appear to have turned out at strong rates. Middle-aged people also work at similar sorts of jobs young people do, and there’s a not insignificant amount of young people who are in college and not working a significant amount who can easily vote.

Of course there’s some issues with voting stations, but that doesn’t excuse now obvious shortcomings of the Sanders campaign strategy. This needs to be a learn and grow moment for the campaign, not a point fingers and make excuses one.
 
Not gonna argue that about the long lines stuff but I wanted to address this:
It’s also unlikely that job conditions that don’t allow for voting apply to the youth vote anymore than it does say, black voters, who appear to have turned out at strong rates. Middle-aged people also work at similar sorts of jobs young people do, and there’s a not insignificant amount of young people who are in college and not working a significant amount who can easily
As a young person who has recently entered the workforce, I get 10 days PTO and 0 days of sick leave. I’m also not allowed to use any PTO until 6 months of working at my position. Someone with 15 years experience in the same position as me has 20 days PTO and 5-10 days of sick leave, as well as more flexibility in terms of leaving work early or taking a long lunch. It’s not hard to see that my PTO is more valuable than his, especially since it has to cover medical leave as well.


That’s not even addressing the fact that most low-paying jobs (more likely to be filled by a young person) have no PTO whatsoever.

It’s hard to vote if you’re young, and doubly so if you’re poor.

Election day should be a national holiday.

Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means — law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics, expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks. But they reflected, almost uniformly, the perspectives of their class: the top 1 percent or so of the income scale that can afford to write a $2,000 check to a political candidate. They believed in the free market and an educational meritocracy; they found it hard to imagine that there might be any social ill that could not be cured by a high SAT score. They had no patience with protectionism, found unions troublesome, and were not particularly sympathetic to those whose lives were upended by the movements of global capital. Most were adamantly prochoice and antigun and were vaguely suspicious of deep religious sentiment.

And although my own worldview and theirs corresponded in many ways — I had gone to the same schools, after all, had read the same books, and worried about my kids in many of the same ways — I found myself avoiding certain topics during conversations with them, papering over possible differences, anticipating their expectations. On core issues I was candid; I had no problem telling well-heeled supporters that the tax cuts they’d received from George Bush should be reversed. Whenever I could, I would try to share with them some of the perspectives I was hearing from other portions of the electorate: the legitimate role of faith in politics, say, or the deep cultural meaning of guns in rural parts of the state.

Still, I know that as a consequence of my fund-raising I became more like the wealthy donors I met, in the very particular sense that I spent more and more of my time above the fray, outside the world of immediate hunger, disappointment, fear, irrationality, and frequent hardship of the other 99 percent of the population — that is, the people that I’d entered public life to serve. And in one fashion or another, I suspect this is true for every senator: The longer you are a senator, the narrower the scope of your interactions. You may fight it, with town hall meetings and listening tours and stops by the old neighborhood. But your schedule dictates that you move in a different orbit from most of the people you represent.

And perhaps as the next race approaches, a voice within tells you that you don’t want to have to go through all the misery of raising all that money in small increments all over again. You realize that you no longer have the cachet you did as the upstart, the fresh face; you haven’t changed Washington, and you’ve made a lot of people unhappy with difficult votes. The path of least resistance — of fund-raisers organized by the special interests, the corporate PACs, and the top lobbying shops — starts to look awfully tempting, and if the opinions of these insiders don’t quite jibe with those you once held, you learn to rationalize the changes as a matter of realism, of compromise, of learning the ropes. The problems of ordinary people, the voices of the Rust Belt town or the dwindling heartland, become a distant echo rather than a palpable reality, abstractions to be managed rather than battles to be fought.
 
A friend of mine in California who goes to UCLA had to wait almost 6 hours to cast his vote in and similarly saw the same in texas when I put on the news this morning. He had to ask someone else to pick up his shift because he didn't expect to be waiting so long and he saw several people just flat out leave because they didn't want to wait anymore or they didn't want to miss class. Why is voting still so difficult in 2020? I've always done mail in but if you choose not to you should never have to wait so long.
I go here and I can confirm that the polling sites were a disaster. I have an absentee ballot but I absolutely agree that the polling situation needs to be improved. I’m not sure if we need a day off to vote as some have suggested, but the people in charge of the process need to get their collective shit together regardless. Everyone should mail-in anyway, it’s so much better.
 

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Not gonna argue that about the long lines stuff but I wanted to address this:

As a young person who has recently entered the workforce, I get 10 days PTO and 0 days of sick leave. I’m also not allowed to use any PTO until 6 months of working at my position. Someone with 15 years experience in the same position as me has 20 days PTO and 5-10 days of sick leave, as well as more flexibility in terms of leaving work early or taking a long lunch. It’s not hard to see that my PTO is more valuable than his, especially since it has to cover medical leave as well.


That’s not even addressing the fact that most low-paying jobs (more likely to be filled by a young person) have no PTO whatsoever.

It’s hard to vote if you’re young, and doubly so if you’re poor.

Election day should be a national holiday.

Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means — law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics, expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks. But they reflected, almost uniformly, the perspectives of their class: the top 1 percent or so of the income scale that can afford to write a $2,000 check to a political candidate. They believed in the free market and an educational meritocracy; they found it hard to imagine that there might be any social ill that could not be cured by a high SAT score. They had no patience with protectionism, found unions troublesome, and were not particularly sympathetic to those whose lives were upended by the movements of global capital. Most were adamantly prochoice and antigun and were vaguely suspicious of deep religious sentiment.

And although my own worldview and theirs corresponded in many ways — I had gone to the same schools, after all, had read the same books, and worried about my kids in many of the same ways — I found myself avoiding certain topics during conversations with them, papering over possible differences, anticipating their expectations. On core issues I was candid; I had no problem telling well-heeled supporters that the tax cuts they’d received from George Bush should be reversed. Whenever I could, I would try to share with them some of the perspectives I was hearing from other portions of the electorate: the legitimate role of faith in politics, say, or the deep cultural meaning of guns in rural parts of the state.

Still, I know that as a consequence of my fund-raising I became more like the wealthy donors I met, in the very particular sense that I spent more and more of my time above the fray, outside the world of immediate hunger, disappointment, fear, irrationality, and frequent hardship of the other 99 percent of the population — that is, the people that I’d entered public life to serve. And in one fashion or another, I suspect this is true for every senator: The longer you are a senator, the narrower the scope of your interactions. You may fight it, with town hall meetings and listening tours and stops by the old neighborhood. But your schedule dictates that you move in a different orbit from most of the people you represent.

And perhaps as the next race approaches, a voice within tells you that you don’t want to have to go through all the misery of raising all that money in small increments all over again. You realize that you no longer have the cachet you did as the upstart, the fresh face; you haven’t changed Washington, and you’ve made a lot of people unhappy with difficult votes. The path of least resistance — of fund-raisers organized by the special interests, the corporate PACs, and the top lobbying shops — starts to look awfully tempting, and if the opinions of these insiders don’t quite jibe with those you once held, you learn to rationalize the changes as a matter of realism, of compromise, of learning the ropes. The problems of ordinary people, the voices of the Rust Belt town or the dwindling heartland, become a distant echo rather than a palpable reality, abstractions to be managed rather than battles to be fought.
Most polls close at like 7 or 8 local time and most jobs allow for like an hour or two off to vote, depending on where they are. Not saying it’s enough and that this isn’t a real deterrent to young / employed people voting, in just saying I don’t think it’s as large of an impact as you claim.
 
you should be able to verify your identity with your thumb print on your phone and vote. you should also have more than 12 hours.. totally agree. (excited to see what this looks like in 20 years)

havn't heard from any of my friends in MA or parents that there were long lines to vote. you can vote in most every town hall. you walk right in, show your ID, and hand in your ballot when you're done.
 

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