you are hero shooting LMAO
regardless of who you shoot it's a hero shoot on that list
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NOC Popcorn Mafia 3 Game Thread
- Thread starter Nuxl
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regardless of who you shoot it's a hero shoot on that list
Going to try and collect my thoughts tonight. This is a weird game format which really hampers how I think about the game (although given my track record, maybe that’s a good thing). I can’t wrap my head around what the mafia is trying to do. I think conventional logic suggests they want to be aggressive early and bus late the closer we get to being on target until winning is plausible. But my sense from the early game is that they played the first two votes relatively passively? I don’t get what sort of angle they are going for. Is it really just the afks and/or floaters? Maybe you could throw in one or two of the more active/town dudes and they are just relying on them to carry?
I‘m still in favor of my afks strategy but I’m just trying to see beyond a world where that doesn’t really work out especially as we run out of shots. So many people as soon as they show up I feel better about but surely it’s impossible that they are all good. But then that leads me back to, ok, maybe it is just the afk/low effort guys and no more than 1 or 2 “probably town” leads. But when it seems that easy, it never is. Back in circles I go I guess.
I‘m still in favor of my afks strategy but I’m just trying to see beyond a world where that doesn’t really work out especially as we run out of shots. So many people as soon as they show up I feel better about but surely it’s impossible that they are all good. But then that leads me back to, ok, maybe it is just the afk/low effort guys and no more than 1 or 2 “probably town” leads. But when it seems that easy, it never is. Back in circles I go I guess.
This is the most you’ve been engaged in the game though, I think multiple people would agree to that, even if you don’t. And it’s interesting that it happens as soon as you appear to be in legitimate danger.
it happened immediately before I appeared to be in legitimate danger, check the history
Hm yeah I guess I can give you this one even though technically there were a couple votes on you right after the flip. But I don’t really believe that would’ve bothered you.
I thought skipper posted his vote list yesterday but you’re right, I was mistaken
i think i was treating the first day cycle like conventional mafia with ppl trying to replicate voting patterns via democracy but the more i think about it the more i think optimal mafia strategy for this setup is to mirror their town game and play for an honest solve, given lack of night kill analysis to infer team compositions
ok so genuinely i like. was so fucked with sleep that i involuntarily fell asleep like 8 last night
do it. you won't.
im good w shooting anyone on the list but i would prefer Flood and Celever prob.
chad slot is mafia end of story tho
That’s a pretty ominous thought.
at some point they have to deviate though right? Like there will be a disconnect in how they play as a town in some scenarios vs mafia.
like I would expect you to play as non optimal town at some point because otherwise you’d just get all your teammates out. Or do you think that’s fine because you’d just win in lylo?
I guess I just answered my own question
i think you just rely on classic scumhunting tools, figure who is authentic in their reads, who is generating reasons for them, who reveals an informed mindset
makes your plan of shooting inactives (or subbing them or modkilling them *cough* Nuxl *cough*) more critical because the reads are the only reliable thing to work off of
he had scummy posts when he was here, the activity is nai. i quoted the posts that stood out in some prior post, but i cba to go find it
tl;dr, i nudged him into airing a read on me when he said i'd be an easy read & without having any prior read on me, he immediately said i'm townie for a couple generic reasons but it was implied right before then that he didn't have a read on me yet, so it seemed like a potential weird way of dealing with tmi and forcing a read out before he even had one just so he didn't have to say "i have no read yet"
he also had trouble diving into details specific to *this game* and made a lot of useless framework comments which felt scummy
zero thoughts on flood other than that he's subbing into a scummy slot, and realiti townreading him off of 2 nai posts doesn't make sense, which is why i'm asking if not shooting him is due to a read or due to wanting to give flood some time to post
why does the difference in reads impact your view on hydro's slot tho
brrrr
lmfao
if you were implying you think i'm scum pocketing realiti, then yeah sure i can see that considering i have a pretty strong townread on him and i've been buddying up with him. but considering you scumread realiti, you're implying we're partnered with this which is not a good read
in a scum game i would never interact with a partner the way i do with realiti
i understand the roots of why you're thinking this way i think. if it helps for context, we're out of game friends and have played mafia together a lot so he's a slot i focus my attention on early since i know some distinctions between his town and mafia games
if tbz is mafia, skipper's shotpool probably has like 1 scum max
tbz/ls s/s is possible with tbz pushing ls when she's not even in skipper's shotpool - tbz hadn't pushed ls prior to this iirc and this would be a safe time to push your partner when you know they're not on the list of potential shots
also tbz/texas are unpaired i think, with texas's latest comments on tbz pushing mc at the same time as him. doesn't read like something you'd post about a partner, and i've noticed some overlap there that goes beyond the mc push as well
another thing that feels dumb to write but is genuinely impacting my read on tbz is that i think tbz would've found me town by now, or at least tried to reevaluate, but he's continuously pushed me when i'm an already polarized slot in a way that feels like he's not even attempting to solve me. he's also hesitant to expand on the read beyond just a feeling, which isn't super out of character for him, but he has a history of games in the books to reference and is familiar with my towngame
why do you think i'm mafia Thunder~BALLZ? & expand on your LS read too, let's see if our reasoning is the same
another thing that feels dumb to write but is genuinely impacting my read on tbz is that i think tbz would've found me town by now, or at least tried to reevaluate, but he's continuously pushed me when i'm an already polarized slot in a way that feels like he's not even attempting to solve me. he's also hesitant to expand on the read beyond just a feeling, which isn't super out of character for him, but he has a history of games in the books to reference and is familiar with my towngame
why do you think i'm mafia Thunder~BALLZ? & expand on your LS read too, let's see if our reasoning is the same
vote lightning testicles
you might be the 1 player not tr'ing jalmont in this game
which is probably a good look, considering i think he's townspewed and wouldn't expect mafia to test their luck. here's my hold up:
you claim you don't trust jalmont, but you use my vote on jalmont's slot to shade me here. so is my vote on jalmont truly bad in your eyes?
also, the bolded line doesn't make sense to me - as soon as i saw AG flip mafia, it seemed very likely to me that jalmont's slot was town and my read almost 180'd due to zippy's interactions with AG. i never voted jalmont's slot again after that, so what do you mean by "i stayed on zippy with the knowledge of AG scum"? if you mean day 1 then that's even worse, because how tf would i know AG was scum when AG hadn't been revealed as mafia at the time?
explain this to me when you see this, cause i think you're town but this is a pretty uncharitable read that's misrepresentative of what happened
ScorrchingTheaph
nO u
isn't that what ur trying to do to me
i just don't get how you went from chad #1 town to scorr midrange before they said anything of substance