CAP 4 CAP 4 - Concept Submissions

[UberMunch]

I believe you mentioned a Create an Evolution project...

Will those be played on the same server as this then?

 

[tennisace]

The Create-An-Evolution project may or may not happen, but it would be a separate set of polls, but yes it would be on the CAP server if it happened. For the time being, we are not going to make evolutions of previously made pokemon via the CAP project. It just won't happen during this CAP.

 

[latinoheat]

At least the ones with more experience in the CAP projects could actually pay attention to the idea when people are constantly asking about it. Everything about it seems to get ignored, fuck i post a draft process to go in another topic not one response.

 

[tennisace]

I support it Latino, but its back-burner for now. This topic is getting off-topic fast.

 

[swarm n slam]

Concept: A defensive-dragon type.

Description: One like Earthworms or fit the last of the 4x Weak to ICE ^_^. (Dragon/Grass keke) Defensive stats geared either towards physical or special walling. Probably has a matching ability to suit with.

 

[tennisace]

Concept: A defensive-dragon type.

Description: One like Earthworms or fit the last of the 4x Weak to ICE ^_^. (Dragon/Grass keke) Defensive stats geared either towards physical or special walling. Probably has a matching ability to suit with.

Obviously, you didn't read the rules thoroughly. Type or Ability dependent submissions are not allowed.

 

[latinoheat]

or the first 3 fucking pages where this idea was submitted maybe 3 times

 

[Kizo]

Concept: Spun-Sugar Atom Bomb

Description: Taking the glass-cannon concept (strong offenses, very frail defenses) to the next level, going to an extreme on both ends of the spectrum. Sort of like an inverse Shuckle concept.

Not part of the actual entry, but suggestions that might be worht considering if this concept is chosen and continues in the process of CAP:

-I envision this Pokemon having an ability that allows it to keep its stats in the range suggested in the description, but still making it usable for someone with skills in competetive battling. Like how Shuckle can be a relatively good Pokemon if the EVs and moveset are good and the execution of the strategy skillful, despite is stupid offenses and HP.

 

[Dane]

Isn't that essentially Deoxys-A?

 

[Kizo]

Yes, I suppose it is essentially Deoxys-A... but since there are so few of its kind, I think it warrants a brother from another mother. Besides, Deoxys-A is better classified as a sweeper due to its movepool being nice and varried. Also, Deoxys-A's speed is very high as well. Glass cannons usually only have mediocre-decent speed (Rampardos).

 

[Yin Absol]

Concept: No Miss Breaker

In the ream of moves, we have a set of moves exclusively ignore due to their lack of power despite shining accuracy. Would it not be sweet to have a pokemon that can take full advantage of these no miss attacks in a way that mkes it worthwhile for the user.

 

[DougJustDoug]

Okay, here's the current tally of legal and reasonable Concepts I have found in this thread. I ignored concepts that violated the OP, were duplicates, or that did not make sense. There are SO many duplicates in this thread. Some duplicates were partially overlapping, others were near-identical. I have tried to credit the first poster of a legal idea.

This list required many subjective calls on my part, but I tried to keep my personal likes and dislikes out of it. As a consequence, there are many ideas in this list that I HATE. But, I'm not the TL and I won't be making the poll. When the TL is selected, they should run their own check through this thread and they may find some others that I missed, or I misjudged. I'll defer to the TL's judgment. However, if a Concept is in clear violation of the rules, I will ask the TL to remove it.

I am posting the Concepts below as links to the original posts.

This is not a final list for voting!
This is a reference for the TL to know what I consider to be within the scope of the rules.

Anti-Ghost Rapid Spinner (Deck Knight)
Flying-type counter (Hyra)
True Garchomp Counter (X-Act)
Entry Hazards, what Entry Hazards? (jagged angel)
Gravity unit (Mekkah)
Trick Room unit (Mekkah)
Melee Deterrent (Mekkah)
Sleep absorber (Mekkah)
Priority Specialist (CardsOfTheHeart)
Stat Buster (Alper)
The Pure Utility Pokemon (Magmortified)
Armor Break (Gothic Togekiss)
Status Counter (Gothic Togekiss)
Fast Tank (Poopazing)
Haze-ablaze (Dane)
Great Lead Poke (Dane)
Toxicroak/Stallrain of Sand (Maniaclyrasist)
Defensive Cleric (EspeonA)
Right Back at Ya! (CyzirVisheen)
It's a Trap! (LonelyNess)
Missey (LonelyNess)
Me First (LonelyNess)
New Weather Effect (LonelyNess)
I know what you're doing, and I'm not going to allow it! (LonelyNess)
Meteorology (ParanoidDrone)
FEAR (timw06)
Ultimate Baton Passer (Shiny Noctowl)
Skill Swap Abuser (Helios)
Good stats, Good ability, very bad Movepool (Amelia)
Its a Critical Hit! (Tsukikage)
Keep On Attacking! (Blue Kirby)
Item/Status harasser (Lord Alchemy)
Spun-Sugar Atom Bomb (Kizo)
No Miss Breaker (Yin Absol)

EDIT:
The Ultimate Weather Abuser (latinoheat)

 

[eric the espeon]

Not wanting to argue, but I think my edited form of this:

Concept: Trick Room+Gravity Supporter
Description: It should be able to set up both Trick Room and Gravity with relative ease, Ether through ability's or simply due to its combination of stats and typing. It will help to make the metagame less centred on speed make less popular "Psudo-Weather teams" more viable.

Does not break any rules.
My previous edit did have this in

Ether through ability's (possibly one that summons Trick Room and one that summons Gravity, for however many turns is deemed appropriate) or simply due to its combination of stats and typeing.

but that has been changed.

 

[latinoheat]

Concept:The Ultimate weather abuse


A rather average pokemon, but when weather comes into affect anything from stats,movepool,typing(to be decided) changes.
The role of the pokemon will be totally dependant on the weather in play for example fire could change it in to sunny day physical sweeper, whilst rain could turn it into a special wall.
This concept allows for a versatile pokemon, that would be a fine fit in any version of a weather team.

 

[DougJustDoug]

Not wanting to argue, but I think my edited form of this:

Concept: Trick Room+Gravity Supporter
Description: It should be able to set up both Trick Room and Gravity with relative ease, Ether through ability's or simply due to its combination of stats and typing. It will help to make the metagame less centred on speed make less popular "Psudo-Weather teams" more viable.

Does not break any rules.
My previous edit did have this in

but that has been changed.

I considered this a duplicate of Mekkah's "Gravity Unit" and "Trick Room Unit". You actually posted yours first, but Mekkah's was the first legal submission of the ideas. Since your submission combines both ideas into one, the TL may determine it is significantly different from Mekkah's to merit separate consideration. Your latest submission is not against the rules, therefore if the TL picks it for the poll, I will not reject it.

Concept:The Ultimate weather abuse


A rather average pokemon, but when weather comes into affect anything from stats,movepool,typing(to be decided) changes.
The role of the pokemon will be totally dependant on the weather in play for example fire could change it in to sunny day physical sweeper, whilst rain could turn it into a special wall.
This concept allows for a versatile pokemon, that would be a fine fit in any version of a weather team.

I have added this to the list. BTW, I think you meant "sunshine", not "fire" in the description above.

 

[Syprus]

Concept: Wish/Hazer
Description: There's not many pokemon that learn Wish and Haze that are usable. So it would be great to have a pokemon based around the moves Wish and Haze. We lack in those moves and it's incredibley useful to teams. Vaporeon, Blissey (which is now banned iirc), Altaria and Weezing are the only ones that seem to pass Wish a couple of times and able to Haze successfully. But if it was a pokemon based around Wish, Haze and other support moves, it would be a great addition and would work great in the OU metagame.

What's wrong with this concept? Isn't it acceptable? It kind of does fall under Haze-Ablaze and the Pure Utility concept but it's slightly different.

 

[sanjay120]

Concept:The Ultimate weather abuse


A rather average pokemon, but when weather comes into affect anything from stats,movepool,typing(to be decided) changes.
The role of the pokemon will be totally dependant on the weather in play for example fire could change it in to sunny day physical sweeper, whilst rain could turn it into a special wall.
This concept allows for a versatile pokemon, that would be a fine fit in any version of a weather team.

So like Castform but it doesn't suck.

Castform evo?

 

[latinoheat]

Maybe, but i was thinking more along more of weather changing the roles, no matter what the weather in play Castform is still stuck as a crappy sweeper.

 

[DougJustDoug]

What's wrong with this concept? Isn't it acceptable? It kind of does fall under Haze-Ablaze and the Pure Utility concept but it's slightly different.

I considered it to be a duplicate of the Haze-Ablaze and Pure Utility concept. Since your submission is a little different, the TL may determine it merits separate consideration. Your latest submission is not against the rules, therefore if the TL picks it for the poll, I will not reject it.

 

[Gothic Togekiss]

I don't see Hazmat's idea within that list. His last edit had worded it just right to fit the rules within the OP, but I might be missing something.

 

[tennisace]

I thought I saw it also. And if it doesn't mention ability, no, but it probably won't make the poll anyways.

 

[Go2Sleep02]

Concept: An RNA Pokemon similar to Deoxys, but only has one forme
Description: A Fighting / Psychic type Pokemon that can hit on both sides with a wide movepool such as Close Combat, Psycho Boost, Thunderpunch, Thunderbolt, Ice Punch, Recover, and several other moves. Its stats would lean towards some ok Attack and Special Attack, nice Defense and Special Defense, but will contain mediocre HP and Speed.

 

[tennisace]

Concept: An RNA Pokemon similar to Deoxys, but only has one forme
Description: A Fighting / Psychic type Pokemon that can hit on both sides with a wide movepool such as Close Combat, Psycho Boost, Thunderpunch, Thunderbolt, Ice Punch, Recover, and several other moves. Its stats would lean towards some ok Attack and Special Attack, nice Defense and Special Defense, but will contain mediocre HP and Speed.

You mean Gallade, right?

EDIT: Found hazmats post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1255909&postcount=338

 

[X_Presumptuous]

Neither of my two submissions got into the list of valid entries... I didn't mention ability or typing, so I don't know why they didn't. I know I followed the rules because I checked and re-checked the OP before posting. Did you miss me or did I do something wrong that I didn't see?

CONCEPT: New Weather
DESCRIPTION: Well, we didn't get our rain and sun due to brokenness, but that doesn't mean we have to completely give up. Why not make entirely new weather? Making custom weather also has the benefit of bringing Pokémon that aren't commonly seen otherwise into the picture. Pokémon such of the Poison and Electric types come to mind, for example.
This could come in a "trio" like last time, with one of them being the "Weather Clearer" to make sure things don't get too messy. Speaking of which...

CONCEPT: Clear Skies
DESCRIPTION: A Pokémon that can permanently get rid of current weather until new weather is set up. Should be more "otherwise useable" than other weather Pokémon so it is appealing to non-weather teams, and so that weather is not overcentralizing. This Concept could be seen as a part of the preceding Concept.

I figured when you saw "Poison and Electric" you may have automatically ignored it, but I wasn't talking about the Concept itself. I edited to clarify that. I realize also that LuckyNess suggested Poison weather, but that's more specific than my submission, meaning mine could be something else.

Sorry if I sound demanding or disrespectful, but I really think I followed the guidelines in the OP quite well. :/

 

[tennisace]

We already decided that there wasn't going to be a new weather or weather clearer.