CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 7 (Stat Spread Poll 2)

[tennisace]

Break the Mold-Click here to see the full post.

Name: Break the Mold

Description:
An OU viable pokemon that goes completely against the stereotypes of its typing.

Type: Rock

Offensive/Defensive Bias: Offensive 20-40
Physical/Special Bias: Special -20 and lower
Base Stat Rating: Very Good

X-Act

X-Act needs to conform! So here I'm conforming.

The following is my truly final stat spread:

HP: 95
Atk: 50
Def: 50
SpA: 120
SpD: 95
Spe: 120
(BST 530)

Physical Sweepiness: 82 (Moderately Bad)
Physical Tankiness: 81 (Moderately Bad)
Special Sweepiness: 194 (Amazing)
Special Tankiness: 135 (Good)
Offense/Defense Balance: 20.1 (Bias to Offense)
Physical/Special Balance: -75.5 (Extreme Bias to Special)
Overall Rating: 406 (Very Good)

The point of this stat spread is to make a fast sweeper that is also quite bulky in Special Defense, going almost to the minimum allowed Offense/Defense Balance of 20. This allows it to beat Togekiss, whether it has max Special Defense or max Special Attack. In the former case, this Pokemon will, without a favourable nature, 2HKO Togekiss more often than not if it is equipped with a 90 base power Special Rock move, while in the latter case, Togekiss only manages a maximum of 76% damage using Aura Sphere even if our Pokemon does not invest any EVs in HP and/or SpD.

As I already mentioned, this stat spread assumes that this Pokemon is going to have a 90 Base Power Special Rock move, whether it being a newly-created move or a Technician'd Ancientpower. Because of this, I didn't give this Pokemon a Special Attack stat beyond 120. After all, Weavile does pretty well with the same base stat (for Attack) and having STABs of only 75 BP and 70 BP. Also, remember how Gengar used to do so well in ADV without having any Special STAB moves?

Regarding Speed, this Pokemon really does not need more than 120 base Speed. Consider all the common Pokemon that outspeed it: Weavile, Syclant, Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl, Shaymin Sky Form, Ninjask and Deoxys-S. Among these, only Jolteon and Deoxys-S would dare switch into this new Pokemon, as all the others are weak to Rock. Jolteon can't do much back with this Pokemon possessing 95/95 special defensive prowess. About Deoxys-S, it's not exactly the bulkiest of switch-ins, for one thing, and anyway, you really shouldn't expect me to make the Speed stat more than 180 just to outspeed it...

About the Attack stat, it is quite low, since Rock-types are generally proficient in this stat and we are breaking the mold. 50 base Attack is like Rhyperior's 55 base SpA, to ensure that it is not allowed to do any serious damage using physical moves, just like Rhyperior can't use Thunderbolt, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf and Focus Blast effectively (yes, it learns all of them).

Finally, the 50 Def stat paired with 95 base HP, again low due to Rock types usually excelling in this stat, is this Pokemon's Achilles' heel. This Pokemon has 5 weaknesses, 4 of which are very common types. Having such a low Defense with these bad weaknesses allows us to give a good, or at least better, movepool for this Pokemon.

Hope you like it.

Icy Vegeta

83 HP
50 Attack
55 Defense
125 Special Attack
88 Special Defense
140 Speed

Well, with this build I tried to make the Pokemon blistering fast, which is a complete opposite of it's typing. Along with having that speed, I found the other two important areas were Special Attack, and Special Defense. The special Defense may not look high but do not underestimate the power of a Sandstorm boost. Some stats to ponder with my provided spreads.

307, 122, 146, 377, 211, 379 Modest. 252 Spe, 252 S.Att (No Sandstorm)
307, 122, 146, 377, 316.5, 379 Modest. 252 Spe, 252 S.Att (Sandstorm in effect.)
307, 122, 146, 377, 211, 410 Timid. 252 Spe, 252 S.Att (No Sandstorm)

As you can see, this is quite bulky considering the low base special defense, so just ponder that a second. I was trying for a large Rock stereotype, and it's Speed ties with Electrode only.

This is my final submission.

Gothic Togekiss/Mr. Goodbar

Decided to team up with Mr. Goodbar with this spread. I have faith that our spread will pull through to the end.

Special Attack: Having the same attack points as Weavile, and he does quite well with it I might add. It's relative high toward Rock type Pokemon, but considerable average when considered to other OU sweepers. Can leave some pretty big dents in some Pokemon. Now let assume* that CAP5 gets Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Earth Power, and Shadow Ball with Power Gem given on those moves there let's see how much damage it could do.

Power Gem

Life Orb'd Rockmon using Power Gem on a Standard Togekiss: [B]50% - 59.68%[/B]
2HKO with SS and/or SR up.

Lifed Orb'd Rockmon using Power Gem on 0/0 Gengar: [B]68.2% - 80.84%[/B]
Another 2HKO by Rockmon. Be warned that Gengar do carry Choice Scarf

Against Weavile: [B]126.69% - 150.18%[/B]
Killed that damn weasel. Got to worry about speed ties though.

Against 216/0 Bulkydos: [B]73.25% - 86.23%[/B]
87% chance of OHKO with SR up.

Against 120/0 Salamence: [B]98.61% - 116.9%[/B]
OHKO with SR up

Against 252/220 Calm Zapdos: [B]57.81% - 68.75%[/B]

Against 0/0 Infernape: [B]70.65% - 83.28%[/B]

Both Zapdos and Infernape are 2HKO regardless of SR

Ice Beam

Life Orb'd Rockmon using Ice Beam on 252/0 Celebi: [B]62.87% - 74.26%
[/B] Can't switch into it without losing alot of Hp in the process.

6/0 Dragonite: [B]117.28% - 138.89%[/B]
Sala and Nite are down for the count.

Shadow Ball

     Lifed Orb'd Rockmon using Shadow Ball on a 0/0 Gengar: [B]104.21% - 123.37%[/B]
Smother that damn shadow to death.

Against 20/0 Cresseila: [B]44.04% - 52.33%[/B]
I think we have someone who can stand up against it.

Against 252/0 Celebi: [B]52.97% - 62.87%[/B]
2HKO with Rock's up

Earth Power

Life Orb'd Earth Power to 252/0 T-tar faces: 59.9% - 70.79% ([B]40.1% - 47.52%[/B])
Pray you get a special defense drop upon switch in.

204/172 Calm Tentacruel: [B]69.32% - 81.82%[/B]
A wonderful 2HKO on the jellyfish.

Against 40/0 Heatran: [B]138.14% - 163.36%[/B]

Against 0/0 Infernape: [B]121.5% - 143.34%[/B]

Against 252/0 Jirachi: [B]59.9% - 70.79%[/B]

Thunderbolt

Against 160/0 Starmie: [B]97.01% - 114.29%[/B]
OHKO with SR up.

Against 124/0 Milotic: [B]58.01% - 68.51%[/B]
Easy 2HKO on the water fish.

Against 216/0 Bulkydos: [B]131.95% - 155.84%[/B]
Just in case people wanted to see what it could do to Dos with TB

Speed: 130 in speed means that Syclant can no longer outspeed you in any such way, which is freaking great.

What does it outspeed?:
80 base speed Scarfers (Neutral natured)
Everyone below 130

What does it tie with?:
Aerodactly and the rest of the 130 crew.

What does outspeed it? This is here for the sake of countering it via speed:
Pokemon with 131+ base speed
Choice Scarfers with 264+ in speed
Fighting and Steel type priority moves.

[Special]Defense: Average defenses to counteract it's powerful special attack. It's physical defense isn't very high but it does allow it to survive weak neutral moves and not very effective moves from enemies. CAP5's special defense when under sand turned from 176 to 264. The extra boost in Special Defense combine with HP actually allow him to survive more stronger blows than it's defense.

Notable numbers concerning its defenses...
372 is the attack needed for a sure OHKO with EQ, no boosting item (the attack reached from adamant +attack base 120s)
312 is attack needed for a sure OHKO with seed bomb/waterfall (base 80 move), no boosting item but with stab/cb, 358 no stab with life orb (bulky gyarados can't reach this)

380 is the SpA needed for a sure OHKO with grass knot at maximum power, with LO, in sandstorm (azelf/infernape can't reach this)
321 is the SpA needed for a sure OHKO with surf, with LO and stab, in sandstorm (timid max SpA starmie cannot reach this)

Hmm Starmie max spatk life orb will ko ~58% of the time, though it seems most use leftovers. It takes surfs fairly well from bulky waters in SS, being left with at least 15% health including rocks, which is nice but not ridiculously good. If this thing turns out to be heavy, bold celebi's grass knot at max power will never ohko even with rocks up (though it'll have a small fraction of health left only :P). With 8 SpD EVs a choice specs togekiss's aura sphere will never ohko, sadly a standard NP togekiss will ohko with a boosted aura sphere. Metagross with max attack and lefties can OHK this with SR down every time, but earth power with LO would do a 72.5%-85.7% to a max HP/min SpD Metagross if it decided to pursuit instead.

Attack: Basically it's high enough for use in a gimmick Choice Band set, but otherwise not usable. I don't know what else to say about it since it's no going to be used much.

HP: A respectable 321 without EVs is something few Rock type Pokemon have. It helps cushion blows taken on the special side when Sandstorm is up. It probably would allow for some non-OHKOs on the physical side, but judging from all those physical monsters in OU not likely.

* Assume as in let's pretend it do have those moves.

Fishin

With the polls tilting towards Very Good instead of Excellent, I'll have to re-do mine a bit.

HP: 76
Atk: 74
Def: 43
SpA: 128
SpD: 88
Spe: 125

Offensive stats are toned down a bit, but it's still ahead of Azelf & co speedwise so it's got a lot of sweeping potential. Decent HP and Special Defense means that in a Sandstorm it can definitely afford to switch into some weaker special attacks, or potentially use a Calm Mind set. The attack isn't enough to really sweep with, but it's definitely enough to make Blissey think twice before switching in if this gets Focus Punch or Explosion. Defense is absolutely terrible, which limits it to switching in on only special attacks.

It does outspeed a lot of stuff, but it's also easily smacked around by priority moves. With 43 base defense and several priority weaknesses (most notably Bullet Punch, but also Aqua Jet and Mach Punch), holding Metagross or some other priority user means that it isn't unstoppable even if you don't have something that outspeeds it. The Special attack is a lot (enough to make Togekiss more than a little nervous), but it's still not getting through Blissey with special attacks anytime soon.

This is my finalized spread, btw.
(the BSR applet doesn't like OSX ;_;)

Deck Knight

HP: 106
Atk: 70
Def: 49
SA: 115
SD: 83
Speed: 127
BST: 550

PSweep: 111, Rank 1: Above Average
PTank: 85, Rank -1: Below Average
SSweep: 186, Rank 6: Amazing
STank: 128, Rank 2, Moderately Good

ODB: 20.5 Bias to Offense
PSB: -50.9 Extreme Bias to Special.
Overall: 413, Very Good.

Summary: 106/70/49/115/83/127

Togekiss Aura Sphere:

Max SA Modest Vs. 0/0 Deck Spread: 67-80% damage.

Air Slash: 21-25%: 4-5HKO.

In Sandstorm: 45-53%. It can 2HKO if it hits at or near Maximum damage, but it is out of reliable 2HKO range.

Air Slash: 14-17% lol

So Togekiss with absolute maxed out power can only reliably 2HKO in Sandstorm with 0 investment on this pokemon's part. Lets see the "Blissey killing" Max HP version:

Same Togekiss in Sandstorm vs. 252/0: 38-45%: 3HKO.

Air Slash: 12-14%.

Now, Say this were to use Weather Ball Rock in Sandstorm Vs. 252/0 Togekiss:

252 SA Neutral: 72-85%.
w/ LO: 93-118%
w/Nature + LO: 103-121%.

The first is a OHKO with Stealth Rock down (Sandstorm is presupposed above, we're using Weather Ball).

With Life Orb, you fall just 1% short of a guaranteed KO, but are heavily into reliable KO range.

HP: This HP Stat results in 353, which is a Leftovers + 1 HP. If you want Lefties, you won't have to waste a single EV. Furthermore if you want to go defensive, you can reach 101 HP Subs and go tell Blissey to take a hike. If you max HP, you end up with 416, a straight Leftovers number.

Speed: Since it is Rock and offensive, I wanted something that could outspeed Dugtrio. Additionally because of Skymin's Speed, I felt it safe to bump up to 127, so that it also outspeeds Weavile, while keeping Aerodactyl as a check (revenge killer) to it.

Atk/Def: I decided to go with a decent amount of attack power in case you wanted to use an errant Stone Edge or some other physical attack. Most rocks either have insanely higher defense or similar stats, so this isn't particularly mold-breaking.

As as example of a surprise set you could run, max attack Choice Band Stone Edge on 148 HP/252 Def Bold Blissey (most defensive set) does 45-53%, enough damage, enough to 1HKO on a critical or 2HKO reliably in Sandstorm or with Stealth Rock down. Earthquake on the same set reliably OHKO's Resttalk Heatran, the most defensive Heatran set. The less defensively stacked sets are in reliable 2HKO (1HKO) range for the CB set.

SpD: 83 results in an exact 202 Stat, which jumps up to 303 in a Sandstorm. Not too bad I'd say.

SpA: 115 was what was left after I finished allocating my desired stats. It's a decent SA number but not too overpowered. However, it relies on either a new rock move or Weather Ball, since Power Gem is mediocre at best.

Overall: This spread combines Bulk, Mixed offensive options, Speed, and minimal EV waste in one comprehensive package that you can build to your style of play. Everything from straight special sweeping to Sandstorm special tanking to surprise physical assaults. It combines the best strengths of the Rock type on a frame designed for special sweeping, but capable of much, much more.

This is my final spread. A true work of art, if I do say so myself (no offense to the artists in the art thread.)

K 5 choices. Clicky Poll one day. The order is how they were in the previous thread. Go!

 

[bumfacepik]

Voting fishin like last time
Edit: AHH I missclicked can you count my vote for shin? kthnxbai
Edit 2: On second thought keep it at icy vegeta

 

[Bogmire]

voted gothic togekiss/mr good bar because I want Doug's art to win. gothic togekiss' spread has the highest defense, and I can't imagine a planet type pokemon being extremely frail.

 

[SgtWoodsy]

Voted for Goodbar/GT.

 

[Master of Llamas]

I messed and voted for Gothic_Togekiss. Could you change it to Icy Vegeta, please?

 

[GTS]

I went with DK. His seemed to be well-rounded to me.

 

[Deck Knight]

Rooting for the home team >_>

 

[Goodbar]

Rooting for the home team >_>

 

[Darkflagrance]

Argh, I voted for Gothic Togekiss's when I really meant to vote for Mr. Goodbar's. :P

Actually, I like the higher defense of Mr. Goodbar's set - given Sandstorm, special defense is less important than hp and defense...

 

[darkie]

what? they share the same entry.

 

[omgthatkid]

Icy Vegeta was my choice.
His set was oddly similar to mine (is still mad).
X-Act would have been my next choice.

 

[Roserade Raider]

Voted Gothic Togekiss/Mr. Goodbar.
Icy Vegeta would have been my next choice

 

[bumfacepik]

Haha why is everyone missclicking...

 

[tennisace]

Really people, is it THAT HARD to click a button?

 

[Goodbar]

I'm almost positive darkflagrance was kidding guys >_>

 

[Gothic Togekiss]

What Mr. Goodbar said about Darkflagrance, thought he/she could just prefer Goodbar over me.

Only two people "misclicked" within the poll. Now, why they misclicked on something when they had plenty of time to make sure they're voting for the right option is beyond me. I mean you could have simply checked out all the options within a poll before voting to insure that you don't make a "misclick". Now if you didn't take the time to make sure everything was right then it's your own fault, thus shouldn't have the right to change your vote. The only time you have that ability is within a bold poll.

 

[Jenigmat]

Voted X-Act's as I didn't want it to be faster than 120 base speed. I also appreciate the modest decrease in SpAtk, because I think that in all likelihood this pokemon will get other advantages to aid in sweeping.

 

[bojangles]

Voting Icy Vegeta because of the Speed.

 

[DougJustDoug]

I voted for X-Act, because of the lower speed and the ability for his to take quite a hit on the special side. In Sandstorm, his spread could be quite a special tank. I like almost all the spreads here.

 

[Invective]

X-act because of the lower speed.i dont think that this should be any faster than 125, like fishin's, but i like the bulkiness that x-acts has. otherwise i would have chosen fishin.

 

[Bungalow Bill]

i voted Gothic Togekiss/Mr. Goodbar

X-act would have been my next choice

 

[yoshi!]

I voted for GT's/Goodbar's, seeing as it is nearly identical to the one I made.

 

[Shelcario]

Voted X-Act because his seems pretty good and well thought out, not saying that the others aren't well thought out though.

 

[Bluekikatana]

Voted Goodbar/GT for the speed, needs 130 to outspeed Weavile and Skymin.

 

[ANinyMouse]

My vote is yours, X-Act.