CAP 9 CAP 9 - Part 15b - Movepool Poll 1

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It's the last competitive poll of CAP! Get ready...

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Name: Stop the Secondary
Description: A Pokémon that through means of ability, moves, and typing, can stop a variety of the non damaging affect of moves and moves of non damaging origin.

Justification: While the immediate threat of damaging moves is large and present, the affect of moves such as status, Trick, Leech Seed, Taunt, Stealth Rock, Spikes have arguably had a greater affect to the metagame than anything has ever had, something that this would greatly look in to.

Questions to be Answered:
~ How easily would a Pokémon with such large of a niche be able to fit into a competitive team?
~ How large of an impact would the reducation of non damaging affects and moves have on the metagame?

- What, if any, would happen to the types of teams being used?
- How would this affect the usage of these types of moves?​

~ How much of an affect does typing have on the ability for ANY Pokémon to perform this duty?

Typing: Dark/Ground
Ability: Auto-Magic Coat
Ability: Guts
Stat Spread: 133/122/72/71/72/95
Name: Colossoil

Vote on the movepool you like the best. And remember...

• We will not allow posts in this topic such as "I voted Movepool." Put some substance into your post. This means that you need to back up your post with reasoning or you will be infracted.

gl guys

Admiral Korski

Cool. I think I'll make this my Final Submission then.

NOTE: I've added Whirlpool to the Egg Moves list and threw in some sample movesets down at the bottom to bring it all together for the people who don't like just seeing a giant list of moves. The Summary section also consolidates the information from the other sections for speedy access to viable moves in a non-moveset format, and the Explanation section goes into further detail regarding some of the decisions I made in constructing the movepool.

Level-Up

Level-Up Moves: 16
HS. Encore
HS. Rapid Spin
3. Tackle
7. Leer
11. Bite
20. Pursuit
20. Sucker Punch
20. Payback
26. Scary Face
33. Drill Peck
40. Seismic Toss
40. Night Shade
55. Muddy Water
62. Crunch
80. Fissure
80. Horn Drill

Crunch, Pursuit, and Rapid Spin mark the competitive moves from the level-up list. I made four sets of categorized moves for some pizazz: 1) two Heart Scale "stop the secondary moves" of Rapid Spin and Encore, 2) three level 20 moves of its conditional-damage Dark moves: Pursuit, Sucker Punch, and Payback, 3) two level 40 moves of set-damage moves, Seismic Toss and Night Shade, a non-existent move combo in the game and particularly interesting for their given immunities, and 4) two level 80 OHKO moves in Fissure and Horn Drill. They ascend the level-up list in a mathematically logical way, which is cool, I think.

TMs/HMs: 50
TM01 - Focus Punch
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Iron Tail
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM28 - Dig
TM32 - Double Team
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM41 - Torment
TM42 - Façade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM48 - Skill Swap
TM49 - Snatch
TM54 - False Swipe
TM56 - Fling
TM58 - Endure
TM62 - Silver Wind
TM63 - Embargo
TM66 - Payback
TM67 - Recycle
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM77 - Psych Up
TM78 - Captivate
TM79 - Dark Pulse
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM85 - Dream Eater
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Pluck
TM90 - Substitute
HM04 - Strength
HM05 - Whirlpool
HM06 - Rock Smash
HM08 - Rock Climb
Nothing really shocking here.

Egg Moves (Monster/ Water 2): 10
Fake Out - Blastoise, Kangaskhan
Ice Shard - Lapras, Abomasnow
Megahorn - Seaking, Rhyperior
Stockpile - Snorlax, Lanturn, Quilfish, Torterra
Swallow - Snorlax, Lanturn, Torterra
Spit Up - Lanturn, Quilfish, Torterra
Flail - Blastoise, Seaking, Feraligatr, Luvdisc, Lanturn, Quilfish, Octillery, Whiscash, Lumineon
Whirlpool - Blastoise, Gyarados, Lapras, Snorlax, Totodile, Feraligatr, Lanturn, Quilfish, Octillery, Swampert, Lumineon, Aggron, Sharpedo, Wailord, Whiscash, Relicanth, Luvdisc, Rampardos, Garchomp, Lickilicky, Rhyperior
Mud Sport - Relicanth, Whiscash, Luvdisc
Water Sport - Seaking, Whiscash, Luvdisc

Legal Egg Combos:
Stockpile + Swallow + Spit Up + Flail + Whirlpool
Mud Sport + Water Sport + Flail
Megahorn + Water Sport + Flail[/code] Basically I wanted to emphasize Colossoil's "land-whaleness" here with some flavorful moves like the Stockpile trio, Megahorn (flavorful and good for CB sets, being relatively interchangeable with Crunch), Flail ("fish out of water" anyone?), Whirlpool, Mud Sport, and Water Sport, which I combined with the the two priority moves Fake Out and Ice Shard to round it all out. I wanted to separate Ice Shard and Fake Out so that either one can be used with Sucker Punch for priority, but not both.

Tutor Moves: 16
[B]Aqua Tail[/B]
Earth Power
[B]Seed Bomb[/B]
Outrage
[B]Superpower [/B]
[B]Knock Off[/B]
[B]Sucker Punch [/B]
Block
[B]Heal Bell[/B]
[B]Selfdestruct[/B]
Headbutt
Mud-slap
Snore 
Spite
Body Slam
Magic Coat

Here it gets some good type coverage moves in Aqua Tail, Seed Bomb, and Superpower, which will get some good use on CB sets, along with Selfdestruct. The rest are mostly flavor moves to emphasize both its size and arrogant look (Body Slam, Snore, Spite, etc.), with the exceptions of Heal Bell and Knock Off, which are very useful for defensive sets.

Total Moves: 90

Notable Physical Attacking Moves: Pursuit, Sucker Punch, Payback, Crunch, Earthquake, Drill Peck, Focus Punch, Façade, Stone Edge, Megahorn, Ice Shard, Aqua Tail, Seed Bomb, Superpower, Spit Up, Selfdestruct

Notable Physical Attacking Types: Bug, Dark, Fighting, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Rock, Water

Illegal Attacking Combinations: Bug + Ice

  Notable Special Attacking Moves: Fire Blast, Dark Pulse, Earth Power, Muddy Water

  Notable Special Attacking Types: Dark, Fire, Ground, Water

Notable Secondary Moves: Encore, Roar, Toxic, Taunt, Protect, Safeguard, Torment, Rest, Block, Sleep Talk, Swagger, Substitute, Rapid Spin, Fake Out, Stockpile, Swallow, Knock Off, Heal Bell, Magic Coat.

Explanations:

I guess that, much like all movepools here, there are plenty of overlaps with the other spreads. I think what sets mine apart is the "flavorful and useful" approach to the Level-Up and Egg Moves sections, my inclusion/exclusion of certain combined attacking types, and my exclusion of the elemental fangs.

Fire Blast is the only Fire move in the moveset, which is plenty to take out Forretress and Skarmory if you really want to. Other than that, special attacking moves are limited to its STABs and the infinitely flavorful Muddy Water. Similarly, Ice Shard is its only Ice attack, which is fairly useful against Gliscor and Salamence. By making Fire Blast and Ice Shard come from weak places (low stats and low BP, respectively), it balances them out and makes them useful, but not overpowered on the same set. In general, its coverage attacking types are limited to one viable move apiece. For instance, Seed Bomb is the only Grass attack and is only really useful against Swampert, Drill Peck is the only Flying move for taking out Breloom/Heracross who otherwise resist its STABs (Breloom is handled just as well by Fire Blast, though), Stone Edge is its only competitive Rock move, etc. The focus for attacking moves was on generic offensive sets with good type coverage and on STAB+support sets for fulfilling the concept.

I understand the concern regarding Fire and Ice attacks covering EQ-immune Steels and Dragons, but I personally don’t think it’s too outrageous. The combo is still walled by bulky waters, and an UnSTABbed Ice Shard still won’t 2HKO 4/0 Latias (33.77% - 39.74%, Recoverable, even) unless it’s a max Atk Guts Sweeper or CB user, which Latias beats one-on-one unless it switches in on an Ice Shard. Max+ Guts Ice Shard does 67.67% - 79.76% to 0/0 Salamence after Intimidate, a 28% chance to OHKO, while Max+ AMC Ice Shard does only 45.92% - 54.38%. So, both Latias and Salamence, both with no defensive investment, can come in on a Fire Blast or Earthquake (or Taunt or Rapid Spin or whatever) and beat it one-on-one. That doesn’t sound terribly dangerous. Similarly, you would need to run +nature and 212 EVs to guarantee a 2HKO on the standard Bronzong with Fire Blast, which would be a joke, while Bronzong can simply Explode on you or hit you with high-BP Gyro Balls, as you’ll be running lots of Spe with the LO set. It still takes out Forry and Skarmory (the latter requiring LO w/ no EVs to 2HKO), which it’s supposed to do. The combo is far from overpowered, therefore, keeping key pokemon in check, should you need to, without being able to outright sweep through them.

  Anyways, things that aren’t in the movepool:

Sorry, no Moonlight. If Sandstorm is as common as people say it is to prevent it from being broken, then it’s useless. If it isn’t, then it’s broken. With Close Combats, CB U-Turns, and Surf/ Hydro Pumps all over every team, most of them being STABbed, and with Sucker Punch threatening to take out many of the pokemon that can threaten it, recovery outside of Rest and Leftovers in Colossoil’s case is either overkill or a fruitless temptation.

The emphasis on the elemental fangs is pretty misplaced, imo. They aren’t particularly competitive, especially when taking into account that Stone Edge > Thunder Fang, Ice Shard > Ice Fang (taking priority into account. Fang’s BP is not high enough to override Shard’s usefulness), and Fire Fang is complete shit (max+ Atk, +1 vs. Skarmory: 40.36% - 47.59% by the way. It’s Roostable). I didn’t put the elemental fangs in this movepool, because Colossoil can’t utilize them very well and they have little to no flavor value.

Sample Movesets:

[B]Stop The Secondary!:[/B] Rapid Spin/Substitute/Taunt/Crunch
Spin away hazards while making sure no one sets up on you. Take out Spin blockers with a powerful STAB Dark attack. Sub on switches to allow you to stay in and Spin on threatening switch-ins. This could be a good support set for all the Yanmega and Moltres who could be great OU pokemon if not for their crippling weaknesses to entry hazards and could breathe new life into no-setup offensive strategies. Another viable move to use in place of Substitute would be Heal Bell for putting a full stop to every aspect of stall minus Sandstorm. Heal Bell could also be of use instead of Rapid Spin on teams that abuse Rest or otherwise don't care too much about entry hazards, or on hyper offensive teams that don't take paralysis or burn statuses very well.

[B]Pivot:[/B] Substitute/Encore/Sucker Punch/Earthquake
Sub on the switch and Encore whatever breaks your Sub or tries to set up on you. Sucker Punch the incoming attack, Sub again on a switch-out, or switch out yourself to something that can set up on or otherwise take advantage of the Encored move.

[B]Choice/Guts/otherwise offensive sets:[/B] Earthquake/Crunch/Superpower/Ice Shard
There are many other good moves to fit into purely offensive sets, but this set gets the most out of type coverage, at least, hitting 14 of the 17 types for SE damage. Stone Edge could go over Ice Shard to cover Gyarados as well as Salamence, while Fire Blast could make sure Skarmory or Forretress don't stop you in your tracks. Pursuit would be a must on CB sets, and Selfdestruct could be put in there, as well, to get some general damage on just about everything. There are many options here.

[B]Stall Support:[/B] Stockpile/Toxic/Roar/EQ
Colossoil can do a pretty decent job supporting stall teams instead of destroying them. With the right EVs and Stockpile, Colossoil can get quite bulky on defensive sets like this one and can shuffle opponents, poisoning the non-Steels/Poisons and EQing the Steels. It loses to Bronzong, Skarmory, and Gengar, though, so you'll need a way to get through them. This set goes way against the concept, I know, but being only able to fulfill the concept and nothing else would mean limiting the movepool to disuse. This just means it's versatile. I imagine the anti-stall set above (or something similar) will see much more use. Anyways, a 36 HP/ 236 Def/ 236 SpD Impish spread will get you to 416/262/239 defenses, 416/393/358 after 3 Stockpiles. If you don't want to balance out the defenses, specializing will of course give the usual benefits.

[B]Tank:[/B] Payback/Knock Off/Roar/EQ
It will come to no surprise that, much like Hariyama, Colossoil will be able to pull off defensive sets quite well. This one can be run without Speed to give it its strongest Dark STAB attack in Payback. Knock Off can ruin offensive, item-dependent switch-ins like LO Starmie, Infernape, or Lucario, Toxic Orb Breloom, or Dark-weak Scarfers like Latias and Rotom. Roar complements its tankiness by keeping opponents from setting up, and EQ is the obligatory STAB.

[B]RestTalk:[/B] Rest/Sleep Talk/Roar/Crunch (/EQ)
Another Hariyama-esque set, this one supplies Colossoil with reliable recovery and staying power while once again avoiding becoming set-up bait.
And there 'ya go. Thanks for reading.[/SIZE]                                                                           
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TMs/HMs
TM01 - [B]Focus Punch[/B]
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - [B]Taunt[/B]
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Iron Tail
TM26 - [B]Earthquake[/B]
TM27 - Return
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM34 - [B]Shock Wave[/B]
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - [B]Fire Blast[/B]
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM49 - Snatch
TM54 - False Swipe
TM55 - Brine
TM58 - Endure
TM63 - Embargo
TM65 - Shadow Claw
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM71 - [B]Stone Edge[/B]
TM72 - [B]Avalanche[/B]
TM74 - Gyro Ball
TM77 - Psych Up
TM78 - Captivate
TM79 - [B]Dark Pulse[/B]
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM87 - Swagger
TM89 - [B]U-turn[/B]
TM90 - Substitute
HM03 - Strength
HM05 - Whirlpool
HM06 - Rock Smash
HM08 - Rock Climb

[B]Notable moves:[/B] Focus Punch, Taunt, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Shock Wave, Stone Edge, Avalanche, Dark Pulse, U-turn.

---Horn Attack
---Leer
---Peck
6 Slam
11 Bite
17 [B]Rapid Spin[/B]
22 [B]Magic Coat[/B]
29 [B]Pursuit[/B]
35 Drill Peck
42 Magnitude
48 [B]Stockpile[/B]
48 Swallow
48 Spit Up
48 [B]Moonlight[/B]
55 [B]Crunch[/B]
63 [B]Megahorn[/B]

[B]Total moves:[/B] 16.
[B]Notable moves:[/B] Rapid Spin, Magic Coat, Pursuit, Drill Peck, Stockpile, Moonlight, Crunch, Megahorn.
 
[B]Egg Group:[/B] Ground / Water 2

[B]Ice Shard[/B] (Dewgong, Mamoswine, Cloyster, Smeargle)
[B]Rock Blast[/B] (Rhyperior, Cloyster, Smeargle)
[B]Sucker Punch[/B] (Nidoking, Houndoom, Mightyena, Slaking, Sharpedo, Kecleon, Absol, Raticate, Dugtrio, Shiftry, Skuntank, Purugly, Smeargle)
[B]Fissure [/B](Donphan, Mamoswine, Wailord, Camerupt, Torkoal, Sandslash, Donphan, Rhyperior, Dugtrio, Smeargle)
[B]Selfdestruct [/B](Shiftry, Wailord, Camerupt, Cloyster, Smeargle)
[B]Fake Out[/B] (Raichu, Persian, Ambipom, Smeargle, Shiftry, Infernape, Lopunny, Purugly, Weavile)
[B]Muddy Water[/B] (Relicanth, Smeargle, Quagsire)
[B]Future Sight[/B] (Whiscash, Smeargle, Grumpig, Espeon, Golduck)
[B]Screech[/B] (Ambipom, Cloyster, Dugtrio, Persian, Smeargle)

[B]Total moves:[/B] 9.
[B]Notable moves:[/B] Ice Shard, Sucker Punch, Selfdestruct, Fake Out, Muddy Water, Screech.

[B]*[/B]do realize that there are no illegal egg move combos, thanks to Smeargle being able to learn everything Colossoil has in its egg moves.

[B]Knock Off
Aqua Tail[/B]
Ancientpower
[B]Earth Power[/B]
Rollout
[B]Superpower[/B]
Mean Look
Zen Headbutt
[B]Heal Bell
Encore[/B]
Flail
Dive
[B]Perish Song[/B]

[B]Total moves:[/B] 13.
[B]Notable moves:[/B] Knock Off, Aqua Tail, Earth Power, Superpower, Heal Bell, Encore, Perish Song.

With this movepool, I wanted Colossoil to have several options to choose form, while still being limited to a few. So, below will be the unique combos and moves Colossoil can use to show you what it can do.

[B]Rapid Spin + Pursuit:[/B] Two of the most important move combinations that Colossoil should have in its movepool. Since these two are found in the Level-up list, they are legal together, which is definitely great. So basically, Colossoil can penetrate Ghost-types with Pursuit, allowing it to spin away entry hazards successfully. 

[B]Screech + Pursuit:[/B] A pretty interesting move combination. Since Screech is capable of lowering the opponent's Defense two stages, tit makes Colossoil's attacks hit much harder than usual. In most cases, the opponent will obviously try to switch out so they avoid being hit by a powerful Earthquake or Crunch, but they will still be nailed by a powered up Pursuit. What this means is that Colossoil will probably be in a win-win situation most of the time when it uses Screech, because if you predict the opponent will stay in, you smack it down with Colossoil's STAB attacks, but if you predict a switch out, Pursuit will be doing a hefty amount of damage.

[B]Stockpile + Moonlight:[/B] Even though Moonlight is not the most reliable of recovery moves, it can still be quite helpful in some situations, especially in conjunction with Stockpile. With Colossoil having a very high HP stat and mediocre defenses, Stockpile can make it even tougher to take down. Not only that, but it can run Guts for an ability to make the opponent think twice before poisoning or burning it to stall it out, since that will just make Colossoil a very powerful Pokemon with insane bulk thanks to Stockpile. 

[B]Taunt + Encore + Sucker Punch:[/B] Taunt and Sucker Punch are commonly seen together, so I wanted to keep it that way with Colossoil. Lots of people are steering away from movepools that have Sucker Punch in them, since they are "against the concept", however, I still think that it's an extremely viable move. Sucker Punch allows Colossoil to knock out enemies that are faster than it, such as Starmie, Latias, and Gengar. To stop it from failing, Taunt becomes a very helpful move, stopping users from using secondary effects and allowing Sucker Punch to hit. On the other hand, Encore becomes a very threatening move in tandem with Sucker Punch. That way, if the opponent even thinks about using a non-attacking move, they will be trapped into using that, forcing them to switch. This can help Sucker Punch be used successfully, so Colossoil is almost always going to be in a win-win situation with these moves. 

[B]Encore + Pursuit + U-turn:[/B] Like mentioned above, Encore can potentially force a Pokemon to use the last move they used for up to eight turns. Colossoil has the chance to trap a Pokemon into using an indirect move such as Thunder Wave, Softboiled, Rest, etc., meaning the opponent will be stuck using that, forcing them to switch out. This is the perfect opportunity to use Pursuit, always going to be striking them for a Base Power of 80. Even though you can use Pursuit for big damage once they switch out, you can definitely use U-turn instead. This gives Colossoil the potential to scout the opponent's team, giving you the upper-hand in most circumstances. 

[B]Encore + Substitute + Focus Punch:[/B] A sweet three move combination to use. Since Colossoil has the potential to trap a Pokemon into using a move that does not harm Colossoil or is too weak to do more than 25% damage, it can safely set up Substitute as they switch out or continue attacking and start wreaking havoc with very powerful Focus Punch attacks. Even though Focus Punch doesn't receive STAB, it can still do hefty amounts of damage. 

[B]Mean Look + Whirlpool + Perish Song:[/B] Personally, I really like these three moves. The reason for this is because Colossoil can potentially trap the opponent with Mean Look or Whirlpool and use Perish Song to try and score a kill. This can actually work, since Colossoil has the bulk to take a few hits for Perish Song to go down to 0. This is a pretty unique combination if you ask me, and it will be pretty fun to test.

[B]Swagger + Psych Up + Pursuit:[/B] Another one of those unique strategies Colossoil can use. Since Swagger powers up the opponent's Attack by two stages, Colossoil has the potential to score +2 Attack itself with the use of Psych Up. Even though it is a pretty risky combo due to the fact that the opponent becomes considerably stronger with physical moves, it can still be useful against Pokemon that are specialized in special attacks, so they don't benefit from the +2 Attack. Instead of using Psych Up, Colossoil can also use Pursuit to try to smack fleeing targets from being hit by confusion, which increases its Base Power to 80.

[B]Miscellaneous moves:[/B] Instead of Colossoil always using physical attacks, it can most definitely become a decent mixed attacker with [B]Dark Pulse[/B][B]Earth Power[/B], the sole reason why I included them. It wouldn't be fun if Colossoil is always used as a physical attacker, and it already has a decent Special Attack stat to use, so there's no reason why to leave them out. [B]Rock Blast[/B] is an interesting option to stop Substitute users dead in their tracks, as Rock Blast can hit up to five times. [B]Muddy Water[/B], although slightly less viable than Surf due to accuracy issues, can put the harm in Ground-types like Hippowdon. On a similar note, [B]Dive[/B] can be used for the same reason, even though it's considerably weaker than Muddy Water. [B]Aqua Tail[/B] is again another move that can hurt Ground-types, but since its a physical attack and most Ground-types are physically defensive, it may not be as viable as Muddy Water for example. Even though [B]Shock Wave[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=1] isn't that strong of an Electric attack, it can still severely damage Gyarados, who will become a common switch-in to Colossoil. [/SIZE][SIZE=1][B]Heal Bell[/B] and [B]Magic Coat[/B] are fun moves to use, as the former can make Colossoil a helpful cleric, while the latter can bounce back any status thrown at it, and other secondary effects like Leech Seed. [B]Knock Off[/B] can be a unique move to stop Tricksters from Tricking a Choiced item, since not many Pokemon like having a Choiced item attached to them, especially walls and tanks. However, they can still leave one of your Pokemon itemless, but being itemless is better than being crippled with a Choiced item. Besides that, it can knock off Leftovers from the likes of Gyarados and Hippowdon, and even Shed Shell from Skarmory (who may start running them in the fear of Magnezone, since Skarmory can become a potential counter to Colossoil). Speaking of Skarmory, it will definitely dislike having to take a super effective [B]Fire Blast[/B], nor will Tangrowth, Breloom, and Forretress. [B]Superpower[/B] can be an awesome attack to use when Colossoil is about to die, or if it just wants to be used as a hit-and-run kind of Pokemon. It's definitely going to be a very powerful attack once it's been boosted by Guts, or anything else for that matter. [B]Stone Edge[/B] is definitely a helpful move for taking on Gyarados and Salamence, since these two will probably be switching into Colossoil quite often. Both [B]Avalanche[/B] and [B]Ice Shard[/B] are excellent attacks for taking down Dragon-types, most notably Salamence and Flygon. Finally, [B]Selfdestruct[/B] will become an insanely powerful attack, even more stronger when boosted by Guts or Choice Band, and it makes an excellent suicidal move Colossoil can use.

Thanks for reading, and may the best movepool win![/SIZE][/hide]                                                  

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[SIZE=1]16 Moves
H. Muddy Water
-  Peck
-  Leer
5  Rapid Spin
8  Bite
13 Pursuit
18 Fake Out
23 Mud Shot
28 Drill Peck
[B]33 Stockpile[/B]
33 Swallow
43 Fissure
43 Horn Drill
50 Earthquake
[B]53 Moonlight
58 Crunch[/B]

[B]Egg Moves: 11[/B]
Egg Group: Monster/Water 2

Fire Fang [Charizard, Tyranitar, Exploud, Garchomp, Rhyperior]
Thunder Fang [Tyranitar, Exploud, Rhyperior]
Ice Fang [Gyarados, Feraligatr, Tyranitar, Exploud, Sharpedo, Rhyperior] 
Sand Tomb [Torterra, Garchomp]
Rock Blast [Octillery, Bastiodon, Rhyperior]
Assurance [Tyranitar, Sharpedo, Rampardos]
Megahorn [Seaking, Rhyperior]
Seed Bomb [Venusaur, Snorlax, Octillery, Sceptille, Torterra, Abomasnow]
Refresh [Blastoise, Lapras, Lickilicky]
Tickle [Lapras, Wailord, Torterra] 
Muddy Water [Blastoise, Swampert, Lickilicky]

As far as I'm concerned, a lot of these are viable as coverage moves, but
since they are with the exception of the Fangs generally separated from
each other, they're all solid.

[B]Legal combinations (all others are illegal):[/B]
Rock Blast + Megahorn + Elemental Fangs
Assurance + Elemental Fangs
Tickle + Refresh
Tickle + Seed Bomb
Rock Blast + Seed Bomb
Sand Tomb + Seed Bomb
Fire Fang + Sand Tomb
*Muddy Water is also Heart Scale and legal with all other Egg moves.

[B]TMs:[/B]
    * TM01 - Focus Punch
    * TM03 - Water Pulse
    * TM05 - Roar
    * TM06 - Toxic
    * TM07 - Hail
    * TM10 - Hidden Power
    * TM11 - Sunny Day
    * TM12 - Taunt
    * TM15 - Hyper Beam
    * TM17 - Protect
    * TM18 - Rain Dance
    * TM20 - Safeguard
    * TM21 - Frustration
    * TM23 - Iron Tail
    * TM26 - Earthquake
    * TM27 - Return
    * TM28 - Dig
    * TM31 - Brick Break
    * TM32 - Double Team
    * TM35 - Flamethrower
    * TM36 - Sludge Bomb
    * TM37 - Sandstorm
    * TM38 - Fire Blast
    * TM39 - Rock Tomb
    * TM40 - Aerial Ace
    * TM41 - Torment
    * TM42 - Facade
    * TM43 - Secret Power
    * TM44 - Rest
    * TM45 - Attract
    * TM46 - Thief
    * TM49 - Snatch
    * TM55 - Brine
    * TM56 - Fling
    * TM58 - Endure
    * TM63 - Embargo
    * TM66 - Payback
    * TM68 - Giga Impact
    * TM71 - Stone Edge
    * TM78 - Captivate
    * TM79 - Dark Pulse
    * TM80 - Rock Slide
    * TM82 - Sleep Talk
    * TM83 - Natural Gift
    * TM84 - Poison Jab
    * TM87 - Swagger
    * TM90 - Substitute
    * HM01 - Cut
    * HM04 - Strength
    * HM06 - Rock Smash
    * HM08 - Rock Climb
    * HM05 - Whirlpool (HGSS)[/SIZE]          

Move Tutors:
Knock Off
Sucker Punch
Zen Headbutt
Ancientpower
Aqua Tail
Bounce
Earth Power
Iron Head
Mud Slap
Outrage
Rollout
Superpower
Magic Coat
Heal Bell
Block
Headbutt

Unique Features: Stockpile and Swallow, Fake Out, Rapid Spin, and Bite all Level-up, a decently versatile Egg Scheme that doesn't get too outrageous. Rock Blast provides a unique Egg Move that can help it deal with Subbing pokemon decently.

I've kept Ice Fang but removed the other Ice moves. There's plenty of predecent for Ice Fang being the only Ice move on Ground types, see Gliscor and Steelix. Otherwise I've filled out a Water-based movepool with Water Pulse, Muddy Water, and Brine. If you really want some silly "flavor" justifcation, I see Collosoil as a salt-water whale that found a home in the desert and now uses Sandtraps and a special film as a means to get sea salt.
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[bugmaniacbob]

Why does Deck Knight's submission only include Egg Moves and TMs/HMs?

Also, Korski's is missing Level-up moves, and Fuzznip is missing the TM list.

 

[Kachalski]

I'm voting Admiral Korski.

This movepoll was something rather similar to what I had in mind for mine (although obviously I'm a pure novice at this) and I like the possible combinations.

Is it just me, or does Deck Knight's set not have any Level Up Moves? or Tutor Moves?

Edit: Admiral Korski, at least to me, is still missing level up moves.

Edit2: As is still Deck Night.....

The code is seems to be really disliking you this topic.

 

[Cartoons!]

Is it just for me that DK's level up list is not included? Or are we to assume certain givens like Crunch and Pursuit are included?

edit: oops, beaten to it twice over..

 

[Plus]

Why does Deck Knight's submission only include Egg Moves and TMs/HMs?

Also, Korski's is missing Level-up moves, and Fuzznip is missing the TM list.

I really don't know what happened -- I'm guessing that the hide tags can only be used x amount of times in a post :/

ATM I'll de-hide deck knight's stuff.

EDIT: Fixed atm, but if any mod would like to catch my mistakes on the code and edit the op please do x_x

 

[Gothic Togekiss]

It might be me but I'm starting to believe that egg groups and illegal egg move combos are subtlety deciding the winning CAP design. I can't be sure but something about it clicks to me...anyway congrats on the three who made it to the polls. May the best man/woman wins.

 

[Umbreon Dan]

fml i was about to finalize ;____;

i was about to vote admiral korski (i just disagree with moonlight), but he doesn't seem to have a level-up list (or am i just missing it?)

edit: okay, i'm voting admiral korski. his movepool is fairly close to mine, so obviously i like it the most. but why did you all make rapid spin a level-up instead of an egg move :|

 

[bugmaniacbob]

Fixed atm, but if any mod would like to catch my mistakes on the code and edit the op please do x_x

The following are still missing from the OP:

Korski's Level-up:

Level-Up Moves: 16
HS. Encore
HS. Rapid Spin
3. Tackle
7. Leer
11. Bite
20. Pursuit
20. Sucker Punch
20. Payback
26. Scary Face
33. Drill Peck
40. Seismic Toss
40. Night Shade
55. Muddy Water
62. Crunch
80. Fissure
80. Horn Drill

Fuzznip's TM list:

TM01 - Focus Punch
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Iron Tail
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM49 - Snatch
TM54 - False Swipe
TM55 - Brine
TM58 - Endure
TM63 - Embargo
TM65 - Shadow Claw
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM72 - Avalanche
TM74 - Gyro Ball
TM77 - Psych Up
TM78 - Captivate
TM79 - Dark Pulse
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM87 - Swagger
TM89 - U-turn
TM90 - Substitute
HM03 - Strength
HM05 - Whirlpool
HM06 - Rock Smash
HM08 - Rock Climb
 
Notable moves: Focus Punch, Taunt, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Shock Wave, Stone Edge, Avalanche, Dark Pulse, U-turn.

Deck Knight's Move Tutors:

Move Tutors:
Knock Off
Sucker Punch
Zen Headbutt
Ancientpower
Aqua Tail
Bounce
Earth Power
Iron Head
Mud Slap
Outrage
Rollout
Superpower
Magic Coat
Heal Bell
Block
Headbutt

And Deck Knight's 'Unique Features':

Unique Features: Stockpile and Swallow, Fake Out, Rapid Spin, and Bite all Level-up, a decently versatile Egg Scheme that doesn't get too outrageous. Rock Blast provides a unique Egg Move that can help it deal with Subbing pokemon decently.

I've kept Ice Fang but removed the other Ice moves. There's plenty of predecent for Ice Fang being the only Ice move on Ground types, see Gliscor and Steelix. Otherwise I've filled out a Water-based movepool with Water Pulse, Muddy Water, and Brine. If you really want some silly "flavor" justifcation, I see Collosoil as a salt-water whale that found a home in the desert and now uses Sandtraps and a special film as a means to get sea salt.

 

[Objection]

Aah! I voted too hastily!

Well ... I have a horrible feeling I'm gonna get infracted for this and I hope I have overlooked something really big, but from the looks of the movepools that have been allowed into the poll, it appears that Plus does not want CAP9 to have any counters whatsoever. I have said time and time again that the four moveslot syndrome argument is 100% moot, but I am also going to add that Flame Orb recoil on the Guts set is also a moot argument. Lucario, a top-tier OU pokemon, handles Life Orb recoil just fine and he's slower and has a lower base attack stat than CAP9 until he uses Swords Dance, which costs a turn unlike activating Guts. A pokemon that could be running one of many viable movesets all with a single move's difference is very unpredictable and therefore very difficult to beat even if it has a 4x Stealth Rock weakness, a useless ability and no base stat over 100. My issue with giving CAP9 coverage moves was that it would make him unpredictable on a deadly level, on top of zero handicap apart from five weaknesses. I thought that alone would make it nigh on impossible to make CAP9 broken, but I fear we may have just created Garchomp Jr. That is why I have been adamant that CAP9 must have at least one 100% counter. Either I am blowing things out of proportion and, even with all of the allowed competitive moves on the same movepool, CAP9 would still have at least one 100% counter, or my views are the exact opposite of the TL's.

Although I cast a vote for Fuzznip, I'm really not sure about any of these movepools now. Either way, whichever movepool wins, the first thing I'm gonna do in CAP9 testing is create a team containing 5 of CAP9, each with a different moveset, to see if there is a counter to CAP9 or if we have to deal with CAP9 using only checks, just like Salamence.

 

[hasbeenkoed]

I'm gonna go and vote Deck Knight, simply on the premises that, unlike the other two, it is no frills, and has no overly uneccesary competitive moves, whilst mantaining the most important feature of Colossoil, stopping the secondary. It also looks like it'll offer some interesting bulkly options, and the egg move conflictions are spot on.

Looking forward to seeing who wins!

 

[Cartoons!]

Thanks for going to the trouble to fix the layout, Plus. It's much more legible and easy to compare now.

Went with DK here. I wasn't to keen on this thing having Self-Destruct. Seems like a strong incentive to keep Rotom and Skarmory at bay until you bait a boom.

 

[Plus]

Aah! I voted too hastily!

Well ... I have a horrible feeling I'm gonna get infracted for this and I hope I have overlooked something really big, but from the looks of the movepools that have been allowed into the poll, it appears that Plus does not want CAP9 to have any counters whatsoever. I have said time and time again that the four moveslot syndrome argument is 100% moot, but I am also going to add that Flame Orb recoil on the Guts set is also a moot argument. Lucario, a top-tier OU pokemon, handles Life Orb recoil just fine and he's slower and has a lower base attack stat than CAP9 until he uses Swords Dance, which costs a turn unlike activating Guts. A pokemon that could be running one of many viable movesets all with a single move's difference is very unpredictable and therefore very difficult to beat even if it has a 4x Stealth Rock weakness, a useless ability and no base stat over 100. My issue with giving CAP9 coverage moves was that it would make him unpredictable on a deadly level, on top of zero handicap apart from five weaknesses. I thought that alone would make it nigh on impossible to make CAP9 broken, but I fear we may have just created Garchomp Jr. That is why I have been adamant that CAP9 must have at least one 100% counter. Either I am blowing things out of proportion and, even with all of the allowed competitive moves on the same movepool, CAP9 would still have at least one 100% counter, or my views are the exact opposite of the TL's.

Although I cast a vote for Fuzznip, I'm really not sure about any of these movepools now. Either way, whichever movepool wins, the first thing I'm gonna do in CAP9 testing is create a team containing 5 of CAP9, each with a different moveset, to see if there is a counter to CAP9 or if we have to deal with CAP9 using only checks, just like Salamence.

Yeah, blowing things out of proportion sounds about right. You're way too headstrong and stubborn about it having a 100% counter, and that isn't fucking necessary in OU. You will never need to pack a "100% counter" for every fucking fucking thing in OU, and it's one of the most common misconceptions in DPP competitive battling. Perhaps rather than specifically pointing a fatass finger in front of my face in a poll where it does not belong, maybe we should be looking more into what we have already. If I had a pokemon with 500 atk and 500 speed with 1 hp, I'll tell you right now that it has no fucking counters. But who cares? it will die instantly. But aside from that, we're using this pokemon in a game called OU, where it is impossible to cram 6 counters to the whole metagame.

Sorry, but I've really had it with you for the WHOLE fucking project. I will take this one oppurtunity to tell you that you have been a pain with threadhogging early on, and preaching the same shit over and over that everyone is tired of hearing. Have you played Colossoil before? It seems like the moment we make something in EVERY CaP, people feel the need for a secure counter for every pokemon, which is bullshit, ratshit, and a truckton of flawed theorymon. Excuse me if I'm coming off as insulting, but I am overly pissed off at especially you and this here right about blows the fuse.

I'll tell you right now that the way Gengar is right now, it has no clear cut counter. Is it Uber? Hell no, fucking give me a break. Focus Blast, Pain Split, Focus Punch, Explosion, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Substitute, Hypnosis, Energy Ball, and other various assholish moves spell death for the OU metagame. Nonetheless, it is checked off by the threats that can outspeed it with priority (scizor) or normally (Starmie). Furthermore, there are different sets to address, or *counter* (dude you should really stop using this term) each threat. It's just a good pokemon.

I'll go back to what tennisace has said in earlier polls: People are shitting over their pants because they think CAP 9's moveset is Taunt/RapidSpin/EQ/Crunch/Sucker Punch/Heal Bell and other various moves. Going back to the gengar example I said earlier -- if I had a counter for every moveset Gengar had on my team, then I would have a shitty team. Either that, or you have a Stall team that only addresses a few threats. What's the deal, people? Should we play one on one battling?

It's a relief that we are approaching the end of this project, because I've seriously had it up to here with you. Think what you'll think. We will see for ourselves during CAP Playtesting.

 

[The Other Doug]

Man, I'm disappointed that neither my movepool or Objection's made it. Oh well, went with Admiral Korski because I felt that his movepool had the greatest variety of different ways to "Stop the Secondary."

 

[HeavyOctillery]

BLARGH!!! All that work, and I'm too late!!! >_< Damn.

Oh well, thanks to Naxte & Objection for the link to that damage calculator thing; hopefully NEXT TIME I'll be on top of things much earlier.

Anyway, I'm voting for Deck Knight's; it's the closest to what I had.

 

[Blackhawk11]

Voted for Deck Knight because of his inclusion of Rock Blast, Seed Bomb, Moonlight, and Torment, and for his exclusion of Selfdestruct and Ice Shard.

Rock Blast will threaten to break subs, and Moonlight will provide Collosoil with some kind of recovery, making it last longer against stall teams (who use secondary moves the most!). Torment will also screw with stall.

Selfdestruct seemed like a broken move imo. Collosoil could easily Pursuit any Ghost it encounters and then blow up later once it is essentially death fodder. Ice Shard was just over the top. To me it seemed it was thrown in just to give Collosoil another way to beat Salamence, which isn't necessary, especially with all the people who say this thing is broken as it is.

 

[familyguyman]

I'm going with Fuzznip, it has everything I want including the cool Shock Wave addition which I like.

 

[Admiral_Stalfos19]

Since all three of them have Drill Peck (which I hate since it can kill Heracross in one shot, which it shouldn't be able to do), I'm voting for Fuzznip's since it also has Screech, which I like.

 

[ReysonTheNoble]

Fuzznip is my main man. Self Destruct, without Fangs for coverage, plus U-Turn pushed him to the top in my book.

 

[Anachronism]

I'm going Deck Knight here. I hate Selfdestruct and Encore, so Colossoil will hopefully not be getting those. I am fine with the fangs and a couple other things that the other two didn't include. I am sort of on the fence with uturn, so I decided that for now Colossoil shouldn't get it.

I don't much like Moonlight or Torment, but I can live with those I suppose. I dont care about Ice Shard, in fact it would be better if max speed mence could only be hit with sucker punch.

Everyone did an excellent job, but it really came down to minor preferences.

 

[petrie911]

Voted for Fuzznip. He has Screech, a move which I rather like, and most of the moves I'm looking for. He also has many of the omissions I'm looking for, such as Seed Bomb. Lastly, he has no illegal egg moves, which annoy me greatly.

 

[Staraptor Call]

Admiral Korski's movepool is the only one that does not include Moonlight, and I absolutely do not think Colossoil should have that move. Giving it any sort of recovery encourages tanks and goes against the concept.

 

[hydrolphin]

Voted for Admiral Korski. The requirment I had for this movepool was Encore, which I see as the best move to punish secondary users. Then I looked between Fuzznip's and Korski's and prefered Korski's overall, mostly for little things, mostly Ice Shard and Megahorn being illegal together, which eliminates Megahorn as a viable option.

Also of note... Fuzznip, why didn't you include Dig? If there is ANY obvious flavour move, it is Dig. Not that I really care, but it just seems odd.

 

[tennisace]

As much as I like the idea of Encore, I hate Stockpile and Selfdestruct more. Voted Deck Knight, seeing as it lacks those two moves. They go against the concept pretty much completely.

 

[FlareBlitz]

Voting for Admiral Korski. Deck Knight's lack of U-Turn invalidated it as a preferred movepool in my eyes. Fuzznip's movepool is pretty much the same as Korski's, but without the Efangs, which I think CAP9 should have. In addition, Encore and the lack of Moonlight solidified my choice.

 

[Sezja]

One has to be willing to make compromises in life and I've made one here. I am not 100% saitified with the movepools presented here, so I had to think for a moment and decide, "Hm, of all the moves I oppose, which one is actually the most broken?"

Let's see... Moonlight is an instant recovery move, so it isn't much of a stretch from the Rest and Sleep Talk combo as far as I am concerned. O.K.

Fire type moves—particularly Fire Fang since it's a physical base and, therefore, comes from Colosoil's stronger attacking side—wipe the floor with a few checks that were mentioned earlier in the process. Said checks, however, include Skarmory, a secondary user. Since our concept is "Stop the Secondary," I think fire type moves are appropriate in the context of removing secondary users from the opponent's team. Not bad.

Self Destruct is a little iffy. On one hand, it is a powerful base 200 attack and it is a physical base attack. A Self Destruct comming from a Pokemon with a 122 base physical attack is gonna dish out a lot of damage, even on physically bulky Pokemon like Hippowdon. That said, the very likely possibility of taking something that is causing you issues comes at the expense of being unable to use Colosoil for the rest of the battle. Furthermore, anything that CAN survive it will be able to heal (or be healed by Wish support), making the use of Self Destruct worthless anyway. I'm a little iffy on this one, but it could be worse.

What about Seed Bomb? What I absolutely did NOT want was for Colosoil to be able to have some way to check ALL of the things that are supposed to be checking HIM. The best thing to check Colosoil, in my opinion, is a bulky water. As far as I am concerned, it's best to leave it that way.

Two of these possible movepools have Seed Bomb. Fuzznip's lacks that move and, as a bonus, also lacks Fire Fang and Thunder Fang. Naturally, my vote goes to Fuzznip's movepool.