alexwolf
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Change this to ''Its MEvo has fantastic mixed bulk''When its Mega evolved, Defence and Special Defence stats raise.
Add teammates for the first Mega Venusaur set and put more Pokemon in checks and counters.
Change this to ''Its MEvo has fantastic mixed bulk''When its Mega evolved, Defence and Special Defence stats raise.
Growth is a mediocre move without sun, under sun it's a great boosting move. I would refrain from commenting on how good Growth is and just describe its role on the set.1st set said:Growth is an alternative to Sunny Day and is a mediocre stat up move
Losing Chlorophyll is not the reason that Mega Venusaur is a great defensive Pokemon, gaining great all around bulk and a superb defensive ability upon MElolving are the reasons.2nd set said:Losing Chlorophyll when it Mega evolve, allow Venusaur to change its role from offensive to defensive.
Venusaur is not a check to Azumarill, it's a foolproof counter.2nd set said:Also, is a solid check against rain teams and threatening setup sweepers such as Belly Drum Azumarill.
Remove this and describe EQ's use instead, which is to take care of Pokemon such as Mega Lucario, Excadrill, Blaziken, and Aegislash.2nd set said:Hidden Power Fire allows Venusaur to NHKO Aegislash when is in defence stat, and Scizor.
Remove the mention of Hawlucha and instead mention Skarmory, a Pokemon that walls Mega Venusaur and sets up Spikes on its face.2nd set said:force Hawlucha to switch out
GP APPROVED[Pros]
<ul>
<li>Venusaur has decent Special Attack and Speed stats.</li>
<li>When the sun is active,Chlorophyll doubles its Speed in harsh sunlight.</li>
<li>It's immune to Toxic Spikes and powder moves such as Spore.</li>
<li>When it Mega Evolves, its Defense and Special Defense stats rise.</li>
<li>Thick Fat makes Venusaur neutral against Fire- and Ice-type moves that it would otherwise have been weak to.</li>
</ul>
[Cons]
<ul>
<li>Psychic-type Pokemon such as Alakazam destroy it.</li>
<li>Talonflame OHKOes it with Brave Bird. Priority moves such as Bullet Punch and Ice Shard hit it hard. </li>
<li>Losing Chlorophyll when it Mega Evolves means that Venusaur gets outsped by lots of Pokemon.</li>
<li>The nerf to Drought means that sweeping teams becomes a lot harder.</li>
</ul>
[Set Recommendations]
<p>Venusaur @ Life Orb / Black Sludge<br />
Ability: Chlorophyll<br />
EVs: 42 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe <br />
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)<br />
- Sunny Day / Growth<br />
- Giga Drain<br />
- Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder<br />
- Hidden Power Fire</p>
<p>With the nerf to Drought, Sunny Day has become a must for Venusaur, as it acts like a backup to Ninetales's Drought. Growth is an alternative to Sunny Day and while it is a mediocre boosting move when the sun is not active, it otherwise grants it a +2 boost in both its attacking stats. A Modest nature is used to maximize its damage output, and the investment in Speed alongside Chlorophyll allows it to outrun Scarf Jolly Garchomp. Life Orb powers up all of Venusaur's moves, allowing it to potentially sweep the entire opposing team. Giga Drain is the main STAB, hitting almost every Water-, Ground-, and Rock-type Pokemon for super effective damage, allowing Venusaur to regain some of its HP and mitigate Life Orb's recoil. Sludge Bomb is super effective against Fairy-type Pokemon, and after a Growth, it lets Venusaur threaten even specially defensive Fairy-type Pokemon such as Florges and Sylveon. Alternatively, Sleep Powder can be used in order to incapacitate an opposing Pokemon and give Venusaurit setupopportunities to set up; after which it can deal serious damage to the opposing team. Hidden Power Fireserves tohits Steel-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Scizor, and Aegislash hard.</p>
<p>Because its ability relies on the sun, Ninetales and Mega Charizard Y are obviousobviouspartners for Venusaur. Dugtrio and Xatu are also partners that Venusaur appreciates, as the former traps and OHKOes Tyranitar, whereas the latter reflects entry hazards, which are a huge problem for sun teams.</p>
[[Former means the one before, latter is the at the end. I swapped the Pokemon rather than the words for simplicity's sake]]
[Mega Evolution Recommendations]
<p>Venusaur @ Venusaurite<br />
Ability: Thick Fat<br />
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA<br />
Relaxed Nature<br />
- Giga Drain / Power Whip<br />
- Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder<br />
- Earthquake<br />
- Synthesis</p>
<p>Venusaur loses Chlorophyll when it Mega Evolves, and instead gains better bulk and a great defensive ability. It requires a massive Defense investment to deal with Mega Lucarioas well as possible, barely avoiding the OHKO from a +2 Adaptability Close Combat. With its bulk, it is also a solid check against rain teams and majority of bulky Water-type Pokemon. Giga Drain is a better option for a STAB move as its power is not affected by burns. However, Power Whip can be used in its place as it is a stronger STAB move and deals more damage to bulky Water-type Pokemon. Sludge Bomb hits both Grass- and Fairy-type Pokemon hard, but if these Pokemon can be dealt with by its teammates, Venusaur can run Sleep Powder in order to cripple a Pokemon for the rest of the match instead. With Earthquake, it can deal with powerful sweepers such as Mega Lucario, Aegislash, and Excadrill, and it can also do good damage to Fire-type Pokemon. Synthesis provides Venusaur reliable recovery, allowing it to regain some of its HP.</p>
<p>As Fire- and Flying-type Pokemon are problematic for Venusaur, Rotom-W is a good partner. It checks Talonflame, who would otherwise threaten Brave Bird; forces out Skarmory, a great counter to this set; and threatens unboosted Volcarona. Steel-type Pokemon are also problematic, so Greninja is a good partner, as it has Protean which gives it STAB on Hidden Power Fire, allowing it to deal with them. Venusaur works well with Blaziken and Greninja, as they can cover each other's weaknesses and form a Fire / Water / Grass core.</p>
<p>Venusaur @ Venusaurite<br />
Ability: Chlorophyll<br />
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA<br />
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)<br />
- Giga Drain / Leech Seed<br />
- Sludge Bomb<br />
- Hidden Power Fire<br />
- Synthesis / Protect</p>
<p>In this set, Venusaurrelies on hitting hard with its Special Attack along with a Modest Nature which lets it hit harder, and uses its HP to take hits bettertrades its substantial bulk, and instead relies on its natural defenses to give it room to take a more offensive role; it can switch in, soak up a specially based attack, and hit back hard. It serves also as a solid check to Water-types while having a respectable offensive presence.</p>
<p>Just like the previous set, Fire- and Flying-type Pokemon are problematic for Venusaur, so Rotom-W is a good partner, being able to deal with the Pokemon listed above.It checks Talonflame, forces out Skarmory, and threatens unboosted Volcarona. [[you literally just copy/pasted that sentence. that's lazy and disgusting.]]Steel-type Pokemon are also problematic, so Greninja is a good partner, as it has Protean which gives it STAB on Hidden Power Fire, allowing it to deal against them. Venusaur works well with Blaziken and Greninja, as they can cover each other's weaknesses and form a Fire / Water / Grass core.[[You make me sick.]] Similarly, anything that can deal with Steel-types or can synergize with Venusaur's resistances can make for useful partners; Blaziken and Greninja again come to mind.</p>
[Checks and Counters]
<p>When Venusaur is in its base form, it is heavily weather-reliant, so the most effective way to counter it is to change the weather. When the sun is not up, powerful attackers such as Salamence, Dragonite, Starmie, and Chandelure can outspeed andproceed toeliminate it. Psychic-type Pokemon such as Alakazam can easily OHKO it. Talonflamescrews Venusaur over withhas priority Brave Bird, which Venusaur cannot deal with. Volcarona and Hawlucha can easily OHKO it withFire Blast and Flyingtheir STAB move of choice, respectively. Priority moves such as Ice Shard or Bullet Punch threaten Venusaur, but Venusaur is rather bulky, so it will not be KOed by them unless it has taken prior damage. If Venusaur lacks Hidden Power Fire, Skarmory and Ferrothorn counter it, proceeding to set up Spikes., andSkarmory has access to Brave Bird to hit it back with as well. When Venusaur Mega Evolves, it loses Chlorophyll, allowingtoa lot of Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Gothitelle, Charizard, Hawlucha, and Garchomp to outspeed and hit it hard or outright KO it. Grass-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Safety Goggles aren't affected Venusaur's Sleep Powder, making them great checks.</p>
And here is Alexwolf's post for reference:<p>Venusaur loses Chlorophyll when it Mega Evolves, and instead gains better bulk and a great defensive ability. It requires a massive Defense investment to deal with Mega Lucario, barely avoiding the OHKO from a +2 Adaptability Close Combat.</p>
You need all this Defense investment to fare as well as possible against Mega Lucario, which even has a small chance of failing at 2HKOing with Close Combat at +2.