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NFL Quarantine Thread: 2020-2021 Season?
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LET'S FUCKING GO BROWNS!!!!!!
NO STEFANSKI, NO PROBLEM!!!!!
NO STEFANSKI, NO PROBLEM!!!!!
bro thats just me
mf watching browns steelers
now that you mention it I aint seen bill recently
Do you think the Pats not making the playoffs was a coincidence?
you definitely didnt see 28-0 coming LOL THERES JUST NO WAY
nah not in that fashion, I mean a one and done steelers performance in the playoffs
idk if the Lamar narrative fully goes away, I've seen alot of people just give credit to the defense.
Those people are dumb.
TheValkyries
proudly reppin' 2 superbowl wins since DEFLATEGATE
This narrative will never go away unless Lamar starts a full on dynasty with the Ravens. Even then it will morph into some new criticism. The narrative isn’t borne from any real analysis it’s borne from racism. Lamar is too black to ever be considered a “real” qb for a vast swathe of the NFL audience.
Spoilers: the NFL machine is going to fuck around and try and hype up Josh Allen as a “more complete talent” over Lamar for precisely the same reason.
I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole, but I don't think it has to do with racism, moreso just the style of player he is. You don't see people saying Deshaun Watson, for example, can't win in the postseason, or that his style of quarterbacking can't make a deep playoff run.
TheValkyries
proudly reppin' 2 superbowl wins since DEFLATEGATE
You would if he was winning enough to be named MVP or even make the playoffs. But he’s not so no one feels the need to put qualifiers on his ability.
Again the best comparison point is going to be Josh Allen who is not as good as Lamar in either running or passing and plays a similar— if lesser— game to Lamar. See how they praise one and criticize the other. See which criticisms are used see how they make comparisons. It’s not hard to spot.
Well we disagree on this point then. I feel like it should be clear to most that Josh Allen is a superior passer to Lamar Jackson. To that tone, Jackson is certainly the better ball carrier.
Have you ignored the first 3 years of josh Allen talking points? No player was criticized more for accuracy problems than Josh Allen.
The Media (correctly) hypes up Josh Allen this year for being lightyears better than his first 3 seasons, then shat on him (correctly) for being the least accurate QB in the NFL for the first 3.
My opinion of Josh Allen getting more hype/praise than Lamar Jackson is just recency bias -- he's been better this season -- and his having won a playoff game first (temporally, though it was the same weekend).
Pederson out as Iggles coach wtf
Pederson out as Iggles coach wtf
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Don't think I agree with this, he's getting more hype because he's a more traditional/prototypical quarterback. We still don't know what the ceiling (or trajectory rather) is for QBs like Lamar Jackson because there isn't really some model of success to compare him to so it's tough to project how he'll develop from here, but with Josh Allen you have a clear path to all the greats that have come before him and you can see the prototypical traits you want in one of those all-time great QBs (the measurables, fantastic arm, the improved accuracy, solid mobility which is a plus). Lamar could very well end up being better than Allen but I think people are more excited about Allen because they know his style of playing the position is something that translates into long term success and provides positive results, people just don't know where Lamar goes from here and if his style is sustainable/viable long term. Lamar has taken a step back this year and that puts even more doubts into people's heads of if his style is something that he can maintain for a career.
TheValkyries
proudly reppin' 2 superbowl wins since DEFLATEGATE
Allen is no more the traditional QB than Lamar Jackson. Allen's ONLY saving grace his first few years was his running ability. Allen was literally GAMEPLANNED to be the primary ball-carrier for the Bills this weekend.
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