Gen 1 NU - Machamp - GP 1/1

:gs/machamp:
[OVERVIEW]

Machamp is the embodiment of a tank in NU, capable of taking a wide array of attacks while attempting to hit back harder. Machamp's Fighting STAB makes it capable of threatening top tier Pokemon like Clefable, Golem, and Kabutops, and it has complimentary coverage in Rock Slide for Charizard and Venomoth. Machamp also has a powerful Hyper Beam, coming off the highest Attack stat in the tier, making common Fighting resist Mr. Mime 2HKO'd by Body Slam + Hyper Beam. Although Machamp has high attack and solid bulk, it's poor speed often means it mandates heavy Paralysis support, lest it be easily outsped and revenge-KOed by several common Pokemon. Machamp's reliance on the inaccurate Submission as STAB can make it inconsistent at its role.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Submission
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Body Slam / Hyper Beam / Substitute

[SET COMMENTS]

Submission makes Machamp the best offensive check to Clefable, easily 2HKOing it along with Golem, Kabutops, Wigglytuff, and high odds to OHKO Raticate. Rock Slide nails common Fighting resistances. 2HKOing Charizard, Moltres, and Venomoth. Earthquake hits Nidoking, which resists both Submission and Rock Slide, and also hits the rare Gastly while generally being a solid high BP neutral attack into a majority of the tier. Body Slam lets Machamp spread Paralysis itself and Hyper Beam can be used to trade against a chipped Mr. Mime, but otherwise Machamp's coverage moves are often stronger against the rest of the tier. Substitute allows Machamp to capitalize on the switches it often forces through its offensive presence, especially against Paralyzed foes,

Thunder Wave leads like Mr. Mime and Clefable are great partners to start a game off with for Machamp, spreading the yellow magic early. Stun Spore Venomoth and bulky Body Slam users like Blastoise and Charizard also aid Machamp in this regard. Machamp also helps Charizard by switching into — and beating Rock-types like Golem and Kabutops, while Charizard outspeeds and threatens Fighting resists like Exeggcute, Mr. Mime, and Venomoth. Machamp's damage output can generate leads for faster Pokemon like Electrode and the aforementioned Charizard to clean up late game. Electrode in particular can assist Machamp with Thunder Wave, while also appreciating Machamp's positive matchup against Golem and ability to effectively weaken Nidoking with Earthquake.

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:gs/machamp:
[OVERVIEW]

Machamp is the embodiment of a tank in NU, capable of taking a wide array of attacks while hitting back much harder. Machamp's Fighting STAB makes it capable of threatening top tier Pokemon like Clefable, Golem, and Kabutops, (Its hard to feel like it threatens golem when it has to use Submission 2x, so I'd lighten the phrasing a bit - I feel like this hypes Machamp up too much. Kabutops is also considered kind of meh these days) and it has complimentary coverage in Rock Slide for Charizard and Venomoth. Machamp also has a powerful Hyper Beam, coming off the highest Attack stat in the tier, which lets it easily pick off frailer threats like Mr. Mime if Machamp is hiding behind a Substitute or the target is Paralyzed. (ehhh i'd just say paralyzed and note that Mr. Mime can't switch into Machamp at all bc Slam-Beam KOes like 66+% of the time) Although Machamp has high attack and solid bulk, it's poor speed often means it mandates heavy Paralysis support, lest it be easily outsped and revenge-KOed by almost the entire metagame.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Submission
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Substitute / Body Slam / Hyper Beam (I really don't think Champ can afford Sub, I think it needs 4 of Submission/Quake/Slide/Slam/Beam and I'm not 100% sure which 4 is correct for NU; my immediate impression is Submission/Slide/Slam/Beam would be the most generally threatening set but EQ is a very safe move to throw out)

[SET COMMENTS]

Submission makes Machamp the best offensive check to Clefable, easily 2HKOing it along with Golem, Kabutops, Wigglytuff, and high odds to OHKO Raticate. Rock Slide nails common Fighting resistances, with a chance to OHKO Charizard from full (this is too generous, I would note it's only 10%) and 2HKOing Moltres and Venomoth. Earthquake hits Poison-types like Gastly, Weezing, (Weezing is not a NU threat and gastly is quite niche) and notably Nidoking, which resists both Submission and Rock Slide. Substitute allows Machamp to capitalize on the switches it often forces through its offensive presence, especially against Paralyzed foes, but Body Slam lets Machamp spread Paralysis itself. (again, doubt it can afford this) Hyper Beam can be used to trade against a chipped Mr. Mime, but otherwise Machamp's coverage moves are often stronger against the rest of the tier.

Thunder Wave leads like Mr. Mime and Clefable are great partners to start a game off with for Machamp, spreading the yellow magic early. Stun Spore Venomoth and bulky Body Slam users like Blastoise and Charizard also aid Machamp in this regard. Machamp also helps Charizard by switching into — and beating Rock-types like Golem and Kabutops, while Charizard outspeeds and threatens Fighting resists like Exeggcute, Mr. Mime, and Venomoth. Machamp's damage output can generate large leads, meaning faster Pokemon like Electrode and the aforementioned Charizard work very well with it to clean up late game. (again i think this is too generous, if machamp was routinely generating "large leads" it would be ranked) Electrode in particular can assist Machamp with Thunder Wave, while also appreciating Machamp's positive matchup against Golem and ability to effectively lure and weaken Nidoking with Earthquake. (idt machamp "lures" nidoking)

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Machamp is the embodiment of a tank in NU, capable of taking a wide array of attacks while attempting to hit back harder. Machamp's Fighting STAB makes it capable of threatening top tier Pokemon like Clefable, Golem, and Kabutops, and it has complimentary coverage in Rock Slide for Charizard and Venomoth. Machamp also has a powerful Hyper Beam, coming off the highest Attack stat in the tier, making common Fighting resist Mr. Mime 2HKO'd by Body Slam + Hyper Beam. Although Machamp has high attack and solid bulk, it's poor speed often means it mandates heavy Paralysis support, lest it be easily outsped and revenge-KOed by almost the entire metagame. idt almost the entire meta is fair considering its good bulk. Maybe change phrasing to "powerful psychics" or "several common pokemon". I also think the cons need to be beefed up a lil bc champ is not that great. A good point to show a weakness could be having to rely on inaccurate submission.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Submission
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Substitute / Body Slam / Hyper Beam it looks like you may have discussed these moveslot ideas with sabel in discord but i agree with what she wrote at least; i would always use slam or bream over sub, and i would probably use both in some cases

[SET COMMENTS]

Submission makes Machamp the best offensive check to Clefable, easily 2HKOing it along with Golem, Kabutops, Wigglytuff, and high odds to OHKO Raticate. Rock Slide nails common Fighting resistances. 2HKOing Charizard, Moltres, and Venomoth. Earthquake hits Nidoking, which resists both Submission and Rock Slide, and also hits the rare Gastly while generally being a solid high BP neutral attack into a majority of the tier. Substitute allows Machamp to capitalize on the switches it often forces through its offensive presence, especially against Paralyzed foes, but Body Slam lets Machamp spread Paralysis itself. Hyper Beam can be used to trade against a chipped Mr. Mime, but otherwise Machamp's coverage moves are often stronger against the rest of the tier.

Thunder Wave leads like Mr. Mime and Clefable are great partners to start a game off with for Machamp, spreading the yellow magic early. Stun Spore Venomoth and bulky Body Slam users like Blastoise and Charizard also aid Machamp in this regard. Machamp also helps Charizard by switching into — and beating Rock-types like Golem and Kabutops, while Charizard outspeeds and threatens Fighting resists like Exeggcute, Mr. Mime, and Venomoth. Machamp's damage output can generate leads for faster Pokemon like Electrode and the aforementioned Charizard to clean up late game. Electrode in particular can assist Machamp with Thunder Wave, while also appreciating Machamp's positive matchup against Golem and ability to effectively weaken Nidoking with Earthquake.
i think qc 1 was implemented so heres 2
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Machamp is the embodiment of a tank in NU, capable of taking a wide array of attacks while attempting to hit back harder. Machamp's Fighting STAB makes it capable of threatening top-tier Pokemon like Clefable, Golem, and Kabutops, and it has complementary coverage in Rock Slide for Charizard and Venomoth. Machamp also has a powerful Hyper Beam, coming off the highest Attack stat in the tier, making even 2HKOing common Fighting resist (can we replace this with "switch-in"? if not, then "Fighting-resistant foe") Mr. Mime after Body Slam 2HKO'd by Body Slam + Hyper Beam. Although Machamp has high Attack and solid bulk, its poor Speed often means it mandates heavy paralysis support, lest it be easily outsped and revenge KOed by several common Pokemon. Machamp's reliance on the inaccurate Submission as a STAB move also can make it inconsistent at its role.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Submission
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Body Slam / Hyper Beam / Substitute

[SET COMMENTS]

Submission makes Machamp the best offensive check to Clefable, easily 2HKOing it along with Golem, Kabutops, and Wigglytuff, and it has high odds to OHKO Raticate. Rock Slide nails common Fighting-resistant foes, resistances. 2HKOing Charizard, Moltres, and Venomoth. Earthquake hits Nidoking, which resists both Submission and Rock Slide, and also hits the rare Gastly while generally being a solid, high Base Power BP neutral attack against into a majority of the tier. Body Slam lets Machamp spread paralysis itself and Hyper Beam can be used to trade against a chipped Mr. Mime, but otherwise Machamp's coverage moves are often stronger against the rest of the tier. Substitute allows Machamp to capitalize on the switches it often forces through its offensive presence, especially against paralyzed foes,

Thunder Wave leads like Mr. Mime and Clefable are great partners for Machamp to start a game off with for Machamp, spreading the yellow magic (lol i'll allow it) early. Stun Spore Venomoth and bulky Body Slam users like Blastoise and Charizard also aid Machamp in this regard. Machamp also helps Charizard by switching into—and beating (if you feel strongly about that em dash, then add another one here, with no spaces around it. otherwise, remove the em dash) Rock-types like Golem and Kabutops, while Charizard outspeeds and threatens Fighting-resistant foes resists like Exeggcute, Mr. Mime, and Venomoth. Machamp's damage output can generate leads (can we say opportunities instead? leads confused me a bit) for faster Pokemon like Electrode and the aforementioned Charizard to clean up late game. Electrode in particular can assist Machamp with Thunder Wave, (remove comma) while also appreciating Machamp's positive matchup against Golem and ability to effectively weaken Nidoking with Earthquake.

[CREDITS]
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[OVERVIEW]

Machamp is the embodiment of a tank in NU, capable of taking a wide array of attacks while attempting to hit back harder. Machamp's Fighting STAB makes it capable of threatening top-tier Pokemon like Clefable, Golem, and Kabutops, and it has complementary coverage in Rock Slide for Charizard and Venomoth. Machamp also has a powerful Hyper Beam, coming off the highest Attack stat in the tier, even KOing one of the tier's few Fighting-resistant Pokemon, Mr. Mime, after Body Slam. Although Machamp has high Attack and solid bulk, its poor Speed often means it mandates heavy paralysis support, lest it be easily outsped and revenge KOed by several common Pokemon. Machamp's reliance on the inaccurate Submission as a STAB move also can make it inconsistent at its role.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Submission
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Body Slam / Hyper Beam / Substitute

[SET COMMENTS]

Submission makes Machamp the best offensive check to Clefable, easily 2HKOing it along with Golem, Kabutops, and Wigglytuff, and it has high odds to OHKO Raticate. Rock Slide nails common Fighting-resistant foes, 2HKOing Charizard, Moltres, and Venomoth. Earthquake hits Nidoking, which resists both Submission and Rock Slide, and also hits the rare Gastly while generally being a solid, high Base Power neutral attack against a majority of the tier. Body Slam lets Machamp spread paralysis itself and Hyper Beam can be used to trade against a chipped Mr. Mime, but otherwise Machamp's coverage moves are often stronger against the rest of the tier. Substitute allows Machamp to capitalize on the switches it often forces through its offensive presence, especially against paralyzed foes,

Thunder Wave leads like Mr. Mime and Clefable are great partners for Machamp to start a game off with, spreading the yellow magic early. Stun Spore Venomoth and bulky Body Slam users like Blastoise and Charizard also aid Machamp in this regard. Machamp also helps Charizard by switching into—and beating—Rock-types like Golem and Kabutops, while Charizard outspeeds and threatens Fighting-resistant foes like Exeggcute, Mr. Mime, and Venomoth. Machamp's damage output can generate opportunities for faster Pokemon like Electrode and the aforementioned Charizard to clean up late game. Electrode in particular can assist Machamp with Thunder Wave while also appreciating Machamp's positive matchup against Golem and ability to effectively weaken Nidoking with Earthquake.

[CREDITS]
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