The IV Judge can tell with 100% certainty which stats are 31 and which are 0. If you have a 31/31/31/31/31/31 male Squirtle and a 0/0/0/0/0/0 female Squirtle, then the stat that the IV judge does not mention for the baby is the random stat. If he mentions them all, then the random stat by chance was either 0 or 31 (and it will be impossible to know which one was random). I thought this was the problem you were having, but I seem to have misunderstood. Hope this answers your question.
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Some sort of Egg 'RNG' Abuse (Read the first post!)
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I mean that you should use TEST mothers with the HA. You should only use a real HA mother if you actually want the HA. So if you're not using an HA mother, then you don't have to pay attention to the test child's ability because you can always switch between the two on the real one. But if you are using an HA mother then if the test child doesn't have the HA then you just reset and move on to the next egg.
So at the minimum, you only need four test mothers to cover every gender ratio, all with the HA and in the same egg group so you don't have to have multiple test fathers. (Torchic, Munna, Miltank, and Minccino). The test father also has to have a different nature so Everstone can be tested. That is, of course, if 1:4 and 4:1 gender ratios are compatible and if female-only is compatible with male-only. Which still needs to be tested. I've already tested that female-only is compatible with genderless but only once so other people should try it out.
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I read SomeRandomKid's post and I think that what happened to him might have to do with the fact that the ditto he used in the second breed was no longer foreign, making it so the masuda method would no longer work and the chance of getting a shiny lowered. As far as my research went, I have seen more than one person saying they retained the shiny factor after resetting and keeping the parents the same, which is exactly the opposite of what we want. If you do test this out, after getting a shiny try breeding again with the same parents multiple times to see if the new eggs are still shiny. Thanks for the help
Can someone please explain to me why it isn't simpler to just use two Magikarp of the same nature, while holding an everstone to ensure the offspring is the same nature, and then just compare the stats directly instead of using an IV calculator?
For instance, assume I have a male and female magikarp, both Lax.
Now assume their lvl 50 stats are as such:
Male 60/65/70/75/80/85
Female 10/15/20/25/30/35
If the offspring comes out 10/41/70/75/30/35 then I wouldn't need to use an IV calculator, right? It becomes apparent? I just feel like this is simpler than using IV calculators.
If I'm incorrect please let me know, that's just how it seems in my mind.
[Edit] In my eyes the only reason to specifically calculate IV's is to see if you end up with a 31 in the randomized stat, in which case doing an IV calculator has a benefit so you can make a 6 IV pokemon.
For instance, assume I have a male and female magikarp, both Lax.
Now assume their lvl 50 stats are as such:
Male 60/65/70/75/80/85
Female 10/15/20/25/30/35
If the offspring comes out 10/41/70/75/30/35 then I wouldn't need to use an IV calculator, right? It becomes apparent? I just feel like this is simpler than using IV calculators.
If I'm incorrect please let me know, that's just how it seems in my mind.
[Edit] In my eyes the only reason to specifically calculate IV's is to see if you end up with a 31 in the randomized stat, in which case doing an IV calculator has a benefit so you can make a 6 IV pokemon.
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This is actually what I've been doing, since the IV calculator I use hasn't been updated to Gen 6 yet. It's a little more time consuming, but it's much more reliable than estimating IV's by using similair pokemon to make a comparison.
I've always been led to believe that Froakie is 50/50. Is this not the case?
Has anybody in the thread talked about shininess and eggs? I've been working on egg abusing for a female starter using female combee(gender ratio 1/8) and a foreign male combee. I figure I might as well see if I get a shiny combee. I just hatched one, and since I saved the game right before, I reset, and got the same egg, and hatched again to confirm that it stayed shiny.
I then reset and switched to a Masuda Honedge (gender ratio 1/2) as they were my only Masuda parents, hatched the exact same egg, and it is shiny!
Can also confirm switching the parents to nonMasuda ones does not make the egg come out shiny.
I then reset and switched to a Masuda Honedge (gender ratio 1/2) as they were my only Masuda parents, hatched the exact same egg, and it is shiny!
Can also confirm switching the parents to nonMasuda ones does not make the egg come out shiny.
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Read what happened to my Riolu. It is not 100% accurate when you change the gender ratio. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Or it's a coincidence it came out right (e.g. it came from the Male according to the test baby and due to the gender ratio difference, it actually came from the female, but both male and female parent had a perfect stat).
Btw, why use Miltank w/ HA as a test parent, why not Petilil w/ HA? Miltank was a bitch to find.
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Miltank is because it's in the Field Egg Group.
So you use a female combee and foreign male combee.
Then you used a foreign Honedge, male or female? And what was the other parent? Non-foreign, male or female?
Why does the egg group matter in this case? She's just a test parent right? Or there is something I don't know about this particular egg group, what's special about it? edit: Nvm, I got it.
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I switched to a non-foreign male honedge and foreign female honedge.
This guy must've got lucky every single time then .___.
You know, I seem to have been lucky every single time with Torchic too. The only time I was unlucky, was when there was a Ditto involved acting as the Female. So that's why I think Ditto might screw things up with gender ratio's. But I can't confirm it.
oh yeah ! he wasnt using dittos. you may just be right.
I've been hearing many things about Ditto
So does Ditto count as:
1. The opposite gender of whatever you put in? Or,
2. Always counts as the mom so if you put in a female the female mom counts as the "dad" for passing down stats?
Also, how do abilities work with this? Are they locked or not?
So does Ditto count as:
1. The opposite gender of whatever you put in? Or,
2. Always counts as the mom so if you put in a female the female mom counts as the "dad" for passing down stats?
Also, how do abilities work with this? Are they locked or not?
If the PID works like in the previous generations, the gender ratio should not influence the shininess in a bit.
The Dittos in the 5th generation are known to shift the PIDs by one frame, which is likely to cause a shiny not to be on the frame you were expecting them when you do not check them properly. They are very likely to still screw up shininess when you did the tests with non-Dittos and therefore shouldn't be used for testing.
The Dittos in the 5th generation are known to shift the PIDs by one frame, which is likely to cause a shiny not to be on the frame you were expecting them when you do not check them properly. They are very likely to still screw up shininess when you did the tests with non-Dittos and therefore shouldn't be used for testing.
It is probably safe to say that abilities are not PID locked anymore, considering that it is possible to change the ability in a pinch via Ability Capsule and that the ability is somehow inheritable. IVs have been generated seperately since BW.
What we cannot say for sure yet is if the gender is still affected by the PID. In order to do that one needs to use regular test parents, then switch to Ditto/parent and see if the gender is really the same in every case or if they only have been the same by chance.
I'm really asking this because the test parents I'm using (HA Drilbur female and Ditto) sometimes land on Mold Breaker and the Timburr that I'm resetting for atm has landed on Sheer Force 9 times already
The "test" baby ATM has Mold Breaker and I' getting nothing but Sheer Force out of resetting and I really want Guts
The "test" baby ATM has Mold Breaker and I' getting nothing but Sheer Force out of resetting and I really want Guts
This means that this method does actually lock if the pokemon is shiny or not. The only way to change this is to change from nonMasuda to Masuda and vice-versa. This is bad news for those who wanted to have the 6IV locked on a pokemon and then SR for a shiny, such as myself :(
Thanks for this data, saves me a lot of time.
Assuming they haven't changed the mechanics too much: The regular abilities are always generated but there is a second flag with higher priority that determines if the HA is passed down if the female happes to have a HA. So if you hit the same frame without a HA, it will get one of its normal abilities over and over, basicly just like in BW.
I did a quick test about the ditto thing:
First pair: Blaziken (M) (HA) + ditto
Result: F/E/M/M/R(23)/F
Second pair: Chespin (M) (HA) + torchic (F) (HA)
Result: F/M/M/M/R(23)/F
Conclusion: ditto does not affect this method, at the very least not in a guaranteed way (aka shifting forward the PID by 1) (at least as far as stats are concerned. It might be different for HA male + ditto vs male + HA female, but I doubt it). Unfortunately I forgot to make note of the genders and abilities of the hatched torchics (I think they were both male though. I usually notice females). I doubt ditto changes anything, since it seems this whole "bug" is caused by locking in the PID of the rejected egg. Even with a ditto it seems to be pulling the same PID, not shifting it forward one (which makes sense since it's not generating it then).
Also, concerning shinyness- we only know that masuda shinyness is locked. To prove all shinyness is locked we would have to reset a non masuda shiny, reset and possibly change the parents, and get another shiny. But with the PID theory it probably is locked.
First pair: Blaziken (M) (HA) + ditto
Result: F/E/M/M/R(23)/F
Second pair: Chespin (M) (HA) + torchic (F) (HA)
Result: F/M/M/M/R(23)/F
Conclusion: ditto does not affect this method, at the very least not in a guaranteed way (aka shifting forward the PID by 1) (at least as far as stats are concerned. It might be different for HA male + ditto vs male + HA female, but I doubt it). Unfortunately I forgot to make note of the genders and abilities of the hatched torchics (I think they were both male though. I usually notice females). I doubt ditto changes anything, since it seems this whole "bug" is caused by locking in the PID of the rejected egg. Even with a ditto it seems to be pulling the same PID, not shifting it forward one (which makes sense since it's not generating it then).
Also, concerning shinyness- we only know that masuda shinyness is locked. To prove all shinyness is locked we would have to reset a non masuda shiny, reset and possibly change the parents, and get another shiny. But with the PID theory it probably is locked.
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