They are not even comparable. You choose it for the damage and potential to spread status. You choosw QC purely to hax (or hope it does).
there is immunities for zap and dpunch, no idea what inferno is
They spread guaranteed status. Look it up.
Yes im aware. The low accuracy functionally makes them not guarantwed at spreading status.
It’s still RNG. QC isn’t guaranteed to make you go first, so it’s rng. The same applies to these moves.
You have really got to get off of this "All RNG elements are the same and equally worthy of action". Risk and mitigation is a part of this game. RNG items and elements are banned if there's either no risk or no mitigation. King's Rock? The opponent accepts no risk by using it and you can't do anything to mitigate it. Same thing with Bright Powder. Even evasion works like that, because the only risk in evasion strategies is that the opponent might roll under the number they need to hit you, and the only mitigation for it is Haze or accuracy boosting moves, neither of which are common, and the latter especially having almost no other use. Quick Claw is the same. There is no risk and no mitigation for it. It either works and means you don't get your turn, or it doesn't work and the opponent gets nothing, and either outcome is out of your hands.
Quick claw doesn’t give you +1 priority, it makes you go first in your priority bracket. Any priority move trumps quick claw, unless the quick claw user also uses a priority move.
I’m on vacation currently; the survey results should come out Friday or this weekend when I am home. From there, the council will discuss it and the community will have information to discuss as well. Expect regular updates from there.
Given that it can make Shuckle outspeed Electrode, it's a functional boost to priority -- though it's certainly fair to call it +0.5 rather than +1.
Idt Hail Cloyster could work, but Snow on the other handIf we gonna unban uncompetitive things bring back King Rock!! Hail
Eh? Cloyster pretty much fits that definition like a glove and was like 90% of the reason to ban king's rock, the remaining 10% being beat up weavile memes.
A big difference is that bright powder can sometimes give a free switchin, and quick claw is only sometimes useful (bulky mons don't always want it, fast mons don't need it) but dodging a move is basically always useful.
I see what you're saying, but to me, if you're using Quick Claw at all, it's because you're using it on a mon where it would be useful, blunting that difference to the point where they are functionally similar.
Cloyster wasn't unusable by any stretch. Niche yes. But not unusable.
Well the other thing is that the pokemon that want quick claw benefit a lot more from the chance to move first than most pokemon from a 10% to dodge. And most mons that can run bright powder have huge opportunity cost for doing so and quick claw not so much
King's Rock was never really a "too much RNG" ban, since it was broken on Cloyster and somewhere between usable gimmick and actual option on Weavile, and otherwise not a problem. If we're being honest, that was a "This is too powerful, and we're afraid it's going to break more mons if we just ban the current abusers, so we're banning the item," decision that was dressed up as a competitiveness issue.
