Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

[Magcargo]

Ok guys to make this cancerous thread less cancerous, how will the meta change if Volcarona goes? Which Pokémon would benefit or not benefit?

IMO the metagame will not change much. Pokemon that were already good like Landorus-T, Samurott-H, and Kingambit probably benefit the most since the type of teams those Pokemon are used on tend to get 6-0'd by Volcarona unless using Tera Fire Balloon Kingambit. Some non-Clodsire / Unaware balances probably become better as well. Raging Bolt and Kyurem become better I think, as does Rillaboom. Random niche mons that auto-lose to Volcarona like Rotom-W and Tinkaton also benefit a lot. As for losers, T-Wave Hex Gholdengo becomes more trash than it already is since it loses to one target its suppose to lure. Blissey I guess loses as well. SpDef Dozo loses half its value with a Volcarona ban.

I still think it's early but as it's an interesting question, Kyurem certainly becomes even more free to click brainless Ice-moves.
Moltres may gain a niche because of Flame Body and Iron Moth will be something many will try as a replacement, although it lacks Quiver Dance.

Moltres arguably loses more since one of its niches rn is being a decent Volcarona check with either Brave Bird or Roar.

 

[Eeveeto]

Ok guys to make this cancerous thread less cancerous, how will the meta change if Volcarona goes? Which Pokémon would benefit or not benefit?

Valiant, Enamorus, Gambit, Gholdengo, Meowscarada, Rillaboom, Weavile and Kyurem. First 4 are in my Ban list already, so it's fine for me.

 

[DaddyBuzzwole]

ok but imagine the sheer level of memery we could pull if volc does end up banned. we had the qb, then the unsuccessful vote to drop it in dlc1, now if we ban it via suspect it's been denied from the tier in every possible way, all over the course of the same gen

 

[Powerhero]

ok but imagine the sheer level of memery we could pull if volc does end up banned. we had the qb, then the unsuccessful vote to drop it in dlc1, now if we ban it via suspect it's been denied from the tier in every possible way, all over the course of the same gen

All that to be a fraction of what Iron Hands has experienced

 

[FuecocoBoi]

IMO the meta could be described as a rock paper scissors between Gliscor/Lando-T, Kyurem, and Volc, but that coming from a 1400 ELO

 

[peepeepoopoo722]

Iron crown is my favorite pokemon to use lately. It occasionally sweeps a team but always makes good progress. Volc is a common roadblock. I do expect if we banned 10 other things it would become part of the discussion.

Will go for reqs and vote dnb. 4 priority move team never had a problem with volc, do not care to make balance stronger. I'm doing slightly better with offense right now but barely.

 

[Powerhero]

What teams are you all going to run for the suspect test? Might just entirely play a sample team for shit and giggles.

 

[DaddyBuzzwole]

What teams are you all going to run for the suspect test? Might just entirely play a sample team for shit and giggles.

i'm trying to build a sun team with volc, iron moth, and slither wing because this might be the last opportunity to ever make triple moth death barrage, but i'm having trouble figuring out who my last two guys are gonna be

 

[Anchor9]

i'm trying to build a sun team with volc, iron moth, and slither wing because this might be the last opportunity to ever make triple moth death barrage, but i'm having trouble figuring out who my last two guys are gonna be

How about H-Lilligant as another sun abuser that brings needed speed control and also to make up for your team’s massive Rock weakness. Then put Band GF for Band GF’s sake.

 

[MattC (Banned)]

I swear this Forum is like a movie bro. One moment y'all are arguing like children and the next y'all resolve it... until 2 hours passes and it happens again.

Really thought that something would change. Gonna curl up into a ball and cry, pray to Jesus that a Forum can keep their act together

 

[FuecocoBoi]

i'm trying to build a sun team with volc, iron moth, and slither wing because this might be the last opportunity to ever make triple moth death barrage, but i'm having trouble figuring out who my last two guys are gonna be

Indeedee to stop priority and ribombee to set webs and tailwind or sunny day again plus its a bug /hj

 

[FuecocoBoi]

I swear this Forum is like a movie bro. One moment y'all are arguing like children and the next y'all resolve it... until 2 hours passes and it happens again.

Really thought that something would change. Gonna curl up into a ball and cry, pray to Jesus that a Forum can keep their act together

We can all agree on some things and that’s the glue of this forum

 

[Anchor9]

I swear this Forum is like a movie bro. One moment y'all are arguing like children and the next y'all resolve it... until 2 hours passes and it happens again.

Really thought that something would change. Gonna curl up into a ball and cry, pray to Jesus that a Forum can keep their act together

Lax rules will do that. Most forums here are better than this. Monotype has more strict rules and therefore some higher quality. Nat Dex Ubers is also really good.

 

[FuecocoBoi]

y’all aren’t ready for the great ou treaty of page 400 we need to get something done on that page

 

[DaddyBuzzwole]

y’all aren’t ready for the great ou treaty of page 400 we need to get something done on that page

post 9999 is clearly gonna be the volc suspect announcement, we're all good

 

[WildWave]

Related: does anyone have a good spread for that makes sure psyshock breaks sub while tanking Fiery Dance well?

Here, use this: https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/

 

[BobbyHill]

if Volc goes, I hope it’s what pushes Kyurem over the edge. I think it’s sort of a joke that it’s still in the tier.

 

[Kallum]

if Volc goes, I hope it’s what pushes Kyurem over the edge. I think it’s sort of a joke that it’s still in the tier.

He passed the last suspect test, bros probably sticking around for another while

 

[FuecocoBoi]

THE GREAT OU FORUM TREATY OF PAGE 400
Our great forum has been through a tumultuous time in the last couple dozen pages. Ubers dropdown discussions, arguments between this time’s great thinkers, and there needs to be change. This is a very important page, nearly 10000 posts since the DLC of our lord Indigo Disc, and unless something crazy happens for legends Z-A, our last discussion thread. We need to reobtain the peace of our forum, or petty arguments could bring the tier to a standstill. This is an issue of Xerneas and Yveltal. I, as a neutral 1400 ELO player, am here to propose a set of rules.​

1. Volcarona gets suspected.​
2. We stop fighting.​

Thank you for coming to my Ursaluna talk.​

 

[Kallum]

We can all agree on some things and that’s the glue of this forum

Honestly like how unhinged this place is, its so much fun

 

[awyp]

THE GREAT OU FORUM TREATY OF PAGE 400
Our great forum has been through a tumultuous time in the last couple dozen pages. Ubers dropdown discussions, arguments between this time’s great thinkers, and there needs to be change. This is a very important page, nearly 10000 posts since the DLC of our lord Indigo Disc, and unless something crazy happens for legends Z-A, our last discussion thread. We need to reobtain the peace of our forum, or petty arguments could bring the tier to a standstill. This is an issue of Xerneas and Yveltal. I, as a neutral 1400 ELO player, am here to propose a set of rules.​

1. Volcarona gets suspected.​
2. We stop fighting.​

Thank you for coming to my Ursaluna talk.​

you’re doing it wrong you have to wait for the legendary 10k post

 

[FuecocoBoi]

you’re doing it wrong you have to wait for the legendary 10k post

It took 30 minutes to snipe toppage of 400 i have the patience to get 10000 as well

 

[BobbyHill]

He passed the last suspect test, bros probably sticking around for another while

Yeah I’m not fooling myself. Most realistically, it would have to be a huge surge in Kyurem after Volc is banned and then the council decides the QB. But I know we‘ve been stockholmed into loving cracked pokemon this gen, so I am very doubtful that would happen.

 

[Kallum]

Yeah I’m not fooling myself. Most realistically, it would have to be a huge surge in Kyurem after Volc is banned and then the council decides the QB. But I know we‘ve been stockholmed into loving cracked pokemon this gen, so I am very doubtful that would happen.

Oh definitely, I'm personally kinda biased but I am glad that Kyurem is having some legitimate success for at least once cause this is probably the last time.

 

[BobbyHill]

Oh definitely, I'm personally kinda biased but I am glad that Kyurem is having some legitimate success for at least once cause this is probably the last time.

Eh I don’t feel like pokemon deserve anything.