Question: would Alola forms make good Ultra Space Variants?
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Ultra Space Variants (Submissions: TENTAQUIL and LOLWUTCAR)
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formerly Ticktock
Really? And the original idea for All Mighty Barrier was just so good
He was just providing feedback, no need to be insulting.
Cookie Butter
formerly the someone
I can understand why not every submission has Beast Boost but every Ultra Beast has prime numbers as their stats. That isn't hard to mimic.
FIX YOUR SUBMISSIONS RIGHT NOW.
FIX YOUR SUBMISSIONS RIGHT NOW.
Um...are you making the rules?
Cookie Butter
formerly the someone
Nope, it's just a suggestion. I don't mean to be offensive, but it doesn't make sense to call the Pet Mod "Ultra Space variants" if two of the three similarities that Ultra Beasts share are completely disregarded. And Ultra Beasts aren't the only Pokémon with 570 BST, this could very well be "Tapu variants" and it would fit because of how vague rules are. Might as well call it "Movin' on Up Version 2 with Type Changes".
Better. Well done.
Cookie Butter
formerly the someone
Well, every other Pet Mod that tries to copy Gamefreak patterns does it 100%. Megas for All doesn't allow two types to change because none of the real Megas do that. Alola Forms doesn't allow BST changes because Alola forms have the exact same BST as normal ones. Z-moves Everywhere doesn't allow a Pokémon to use any move to start a signature Z-move because every signature Z-move can only be activated with one move. Even The New First Gen, something that copies an entire generation, follows a bunch of similarities. Etc.
Ultra Beasts have only three similarities. They all have prime numbers as stats, they all have Beast Boost and have 570 BST. These "Ultra Space" variants only have 570 BST. I want to know where the rest of the similarities went. As I said, why isn't the Pet Mod called "Tapu Variants"? Tapus all have Fairy type, have Terrain setting abilities, and have 570 BST. They also share only 1 out of 3 similarities with the "Ultra Space" submissions.
Meanwhile Movin' on Up has the same exact rules as this, except it's 590 BST instead of 570 BST. They just don't allow custom abilities and more than 4 moves added (they allow type changes, I got that one wrong). Why not call the Pet Mod "Movin' on Up Version 2 with Custom Abilities?"
Name: Gumshoos
New Stats: 89/127/97/53/73/113 (552 BST, so close to 570 ;-;)
New Typing: Normal/Fighting
Added Moves: Close Combat, Drain Punch, Hammer Arm, Mach Punch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Ice Hammer, Meteor Mash, Dizzy Punch, Extreme Speed, Shadow Punch
Abilities: Vantage (If this Pokemon's HP is <50%, STAB move (Normal and Fighting) have +1 priority unless the opposing Pokemon uses a move that this Pokemon resists), HA Iron Fist
Justification: This Gumshoos has about the same size and strength as a Buzzwole. Upon examination, it appears that it has similar genetics to Buzzwole, which is why it is so buffed up. It fights like a professional boxer; it waits until the right time to strike. It brings out all it's might when it's weak; it is ashamed when it loses a fight. It is much faster than a regular Gumshoos; it's swift moves make it a tough challenger. However, since it loves to go all out, it almost never plays defense, as it believes it's strength is the only thing it needs. It keeps it's strong hands out in front of it, unlike regular Gumshoos who tend to put them behind their back. It prefers to stand on it's feet instead of running on all fours.
Place in competitive: Just some regular old sweeper. Slap a Choice item and it will do work. Vantage is to softcounter revenge killers and best fits for a Choice Band set, Iron Fist is more for a Choice Scarf set. All the added moves are for coverage for other Pokemon, so there could be quite a few different movesets for this Pokemon.
New Stats: 89/127/97/53/73/113 (552 BST, so close to 570 ;-;)
New Typing: Normal/Fighting
Added Moves: Close Combat, Drain Punch, Hammer Arm, Mach Punch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Ice Hammer, Meteor Mash, Dizzy Punch, Extreme Speed, Shadow Punch
Abilities: Vantage (If this Pokemon's HP is <50%, STAB move (Normal and Fighting) have +1 priority unless the opposing Pokemon uses a move that this Pokemon resists), HA Iron Fist
Justification: This Gumshoos has about the same size and strength as a Buzzwole. Upon examination, it appears that it has similar genetics to Buzzwole, which is why it is so buffed up. It fights like a professional boxer; it waits until the right time to strike. It brings out all it's might when it's weak; it is ashamed when it loses a fight. It is much faster than a regular Gumshoos; it's swift moves make it a tough challenger. However, since it loves to go all out, it almost never plays defense, as it believes it's strength is the only thing it needs. It keeps it's strong hands out in front of it, unlike regular Gumshoos who tend to put them behind their back. It prefers to stand on it's feet instead of running on all fours.
Place in competitive: Just some regular old sweeper. Slap a Choice item and it will do work. Vantage is to softcounter revenge killers and best fits for a Choice Band set, Iron Fist is more for a Choice Scarf set. All the added moves are for coverage for other Pokemon, so there could be quite a few different movesets for this Pokemon.
CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP!
Cookie Butter
formerly the someone
Name: Gumshoos ＵＢ０Ｘ Ｔｈｅ Ｗａｌｌ
New Stats: 211/107/97/17/67/71 (570)
New Typing: Rock/Normal
Added Moves: Circle Throw, Stockpile, Swallow, Spit Up, Head Smash, Stealth Rock, Trump Card, Final Gambit (8)
Removed Moves: Yawn, Rest, Sleep Talk, Thrash (4)
Abilities: Beast Boost (Hidden: Stakeout)
Justification: UBs are based on objects. Ultra Beast Gumshoos is based on the wall. :^)
Place in competitive: Not a wall, no. It's a tank. Return and Head Smash are its main STAB moves, and with 211 base HP means it'll take little damage from Head Smash's recoil. Stockpile and Swallow can be used to recover HP. Final Gambit is a glorified Explosion, it'll basically OHKO any Pokémon that isn't Guzzlord, Chansey or Blissey and is used as a last resort. It can set up Stealth Rock and kill itself, killing the foe as well, so it's also a suicide lead. Circle Throw can be used as coverage and as a way of triggering Stakeout (if you're using that instead of Beast Boost). Normal Gumshoos already gets U-Turn so it can be a slow pivot as well.
Ok. And I'm sorry for being rude.
Name: Lurantis (UB 1054: Luna)
Flavor: These species of Lurantis were introduced unintentionally as specimens of the Aether Foundation. They were forcefully taken from their trainers, and thus have an unquenched vengeance against Lusamine's organization, leading them to succumb to the darkness of Ultra Space.
Plants have been known to wilt if fed enough negativity, and these one take the ticket.
New Stats: 109/89/123/27/123/99(570)
New Typing: Dark/Grass
Added Moves: Night Slash, Dark Pulse, Grudge, Final Gambit, Mean Look, Shadow Sneak (6)
Abilities: Beast Boost/ Everlasting Anger: This Pokemon is confused on send-out. On send-out as well, this Pokemon gains +2 Attack and +1 Defense. This ability activates only once per match.
Appearance: The once vibrant colors of Lurantis are now stained black and gray, making them look like corrupted Celebi, except Lurantis-y.
Possible moveset(s): Swords Dance/Solar Blade/Night Slash/Shadow Sneak
Place in Competitive: With great defenses, and passable Attack stat, it can certainly make use of the send-out boosts, albeit being confused does not help, the 50>33% nerf on it does, meaning that Dark Lurantis will be dishing out more damage 67% of the time. It is a tank, dishing out hits as well as it takes them. Can possibly be ran with a Choice Scarf, or Life Orb.
Flavor: These species of Lurantis were introduced unintentionally as specimens of the Aether Foundation. They were forcefully taken from their trainers, and thus have an unquenched vengeance against Lusamine's organization, leading them to succumb to the darkness of Ultra Space.
Plants have been known to wilt if fed enough negativity, and these one take the ticket.
New Stats: 109/89/123/27/123/99(570)
New Typing: Dark/Grass
Added Moves: Night Slash, Dark Pulse, Grudge, Final Gambit, Mean Look, Shadow Sneak (6)
Abilities: Beast Boost/ Everlasting Anger: This Pokemon is confused on send-out. On send-out as well, this Pokemon gains +2 Attack and +1 Defense. This ability activates only once per match.
Appearance: The once vibrant colors of Lurantis are now stained black and gray, making them look like corrupted Celebi, except Lurantis-y.
Possible moveset(s): Swords Dance/Solar Blade/Night Slash/Shadow Sneak
Place in Competitive: With great defenses, and passable Attack stat, it can certainly make use of the send-out boosts, albeit being confused does not help, the 50>33% nerf on it does, meaning that Dark Lurantis will be dishing out more damage 67% of the time. It is a tank, dishing out hits as well as it takes them. Can possibly be ran with a Choice Scarf, or Life Orb.
Haven't seen too much Wishiwashi
New Stats: 73/97/137/113/139/11 (Right on target with BST 570 :D)
New Typing: Water (technically Water/Water)
Added Moves: Water Spout, Recover, Psyshock, Psychic, Speed Swap, Skill Swap, Heart Swap, Reflect, Light Screen, Trick, Focus Blast, Energy Ball
Abilities: Molecular Cluster (This Pokemon is Water/Water type, meaning moves that would do x1/2 do x1/4 and moves that would do x2 do x4. To balance, it is x2 weak to Psychic and any Psychic move used on it will nullify Cell Fusion)
Justification: Unlike regular Wishiwashi that have two forms, this one only has one. With the conditions in Ultra Space, the Wishiwashi are fused tightly into one giant Pokemon. They act like cells and are controlled by the brain of the whole Pokemon. The brain can use the "cells" to attack by defusing them. They're so compressed that it makes it very bulky, however electricity and vegetation seem to weaken it fast. The "cells" can also be controlled by Pokemon with Psychic type moves; moves like this disable the brain's function to fuse tightly, which loosens the Pokemon and makes it more weak to attacks. It's slow speed is from the all the work the brain has to do; if it was faster, the Pokemon wouldn't work properly.
Place in competitive: Super tanky Pokemon but also super slow. It big weaknesses but makes up for it with the strong defense. Can run a stall set or a tanky revenge killer set.
New Stats: 73/97/137/113/139/11 (Right on target with BST 570 :D)
New Typing: Water (technically Water/Water)
Added Moves: Water Spout, Recover, Psyshock, Psychic, Speed Swap, Skill Swap, Heart Swap, Reflect, Light Screen, Trick, Focus Blast, Energy Ball
Abilities: Molecular Cluster (This Pokemon is Water/Water type, meaning moves that would do x1/2 do x1/4 and moves that would do x2 do x4. To balance, it is x2 weak to Psychic and any Psychic move used on it will nullify Cell Fusion)
Justification: Unlike regular Wishiwashi that have two forms, this one only has one. With the conditions in Ultra Space, the Wishiwashi are fused tightly into one giant Pokemon. They act like cells and are controlled by the brain of the whole Pokemon. The brain can use the "cells" to attack by defusing them. They're so compressed that it makes it very bulky, however electricity and vegetation seem to weaken it fast. The "cells" can also be controlled by Pokemon with Psychic type moves; moves like this disable the brain's function to fuse tightly, which loosens the Pokemon and makes it more weak to attacks. It's slow speed is from the all the work the brain has to do; if it was faster, the Pokemon wouldn't work properly.
Place in competitive: Super tanky Pokemon but also super slow. It big weaknesses but makes up for it with the strong defense. Can run a stall set or a tanky revenge killer set.
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The king of Trick Room.
I realised I should of added Alolan Raticate to the list because it's a totem!
Does it get double STAB, or is the Water/Water only defensive?
So what about Vikavolt, Kommo-O and Mimikyu?
That comes later. Let's get some submissions first for these guys.
Only defensive; double STAB would do too much for a tanky Pokemon.
So it's water bubble but for weaknesses
Wishiwashi needs more love. There's a reason he's crying.
"UB-12 Pressurisation"
New Stats:
Solo: 53/59/61/59/61/151 (444 BST)
Group: 151/151/73/113/79/3 (570 BST)
New Typing: Ghost/Rock
Explaination: Wishiwashi are really weak Pokémon. When they were sucked into one of the wormholes, it quickly was attacked by the Ultra Beasts, resulting in it's death. Wishiwashi's soul possesed some crystals found in the Ultra Space and use them to camouflage themselves while they are still a shard, but have no mercy when they become their Pressurised form.
Added Moves: (Removes all Water-Type moves) Shadow Sneak, Phantom Force, Shadow Claw, Shadow Ball, Ice Shard (Because flavor), Rock Blast, Spike Cannon, Diamond Storm, Power Gem, Rock Polish, Refresh, Flash, Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Earth Power, Endure
Abilities:
Shard: Pressurise (Basically a Power Construct clone)
Pressurised: Sheer Force
Appearance:
Shard: A shard of crystal, that can be various collors (Think Minior). It is sharp, and has an overal shape of a sideways kite (Diamond-Shaped but more stretched at one of the points, which is the opposite direction of UB Wishiwashi's face)
Pressurised: A bunch of these combined, forming a sphere. Based on something that happens with gems under pressure/under sheer force (Thus the habilities), called clustering, which basically make crystals kind of mash together (If I can put it that way). Better explained as an image:
Possible moveset(s): Probably, Sash is the most viable. If you can somehow make use of Endure, it's there too. Wishiwashi has a rather odd typing (Like the the UBs tbh) in both spectrum. While Diamond Storm is great move for a Sheer Force mon, It doesn't really have any physical Ghost move that benefits from hability. It's still a somewhat strong mon and has a good HP stat in the later form too. I think the better sets would be Focus Sash +Moves of choice or Endure Life Orb.
How many submissions can we do?
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