alomuk is bar none the best special blanket mon we have in this tier.
alomuk is bar none the best special blanket mon we have in this tier.
Well, Alolan Muk can also check/counter non-Dragonium Z CM Lati, which Blissey cannot do if it runs Psyshock. Agree with this though, even though it is a good switch in against most special mons. No reliable recovery bar Healing Wish/Recover, and while it does Pursuit trap and beat many good things, it gets worn down easily due to hazards and no recovery.lol what. tbh I don't see why alolan muk should rise. It's pretty much dead weight against stall. It can't really switch in on any thing that's physical, making it hard for it to counter or check many top threats, and is 2HKO'd by many of the best physical mons in the tier. Also, 0 recovery options, I don't think alolan muk should rise, for these reasons.
D rank. Obviously it is just a noob destroyer and not a viable pick in the metaWhat rank should Ambipom be?
It actually does get 1 recovery option - gluttony figy berry with recycle. It’s not the greatest, but it does exist. I use it on a curse set that often gets surprise sweeps, but I suppose you could probably throw it on a pursuit set if you really wanted that recovery.lol what. tbh I don't see why alolan muk should rise. It's pretty much dead weight against stall. It can't really switch in on any thing that's physical, making it hard for it to counter or check many top threats, and is 2HKO'd by many of the best physical mons in the tier. Also, 0 recovery options, I don't think alolan muk should rise, for these reasons.
Apparently not. Joey got to #5 on the ladder with it. It's obviously not great in the meta, but it's not useless. It has a good speed tier at 115 with a base 125 STAB attack (if skill link) with knock off, fire punch, ice punch, u-turn, and fakeout so it can be customized to need. I'd say it should be in C or C+D rank. Obviously it is just a noob destroyer and not a viable pick in the meta
I don't think the fact that a youtuber got to the top of the ladder with ambipom makes it worthy of anything more than its "required" D rank(due to it now being UU). The question we have to ask ourselves is, does ambipom contribute anything noteworthy to builds that warrants a placement above D rank and is it on the same level as the threats that are currently sitting in the c ranks? The answer to me is no for both questions; skill link+tail slap combined with coverage for steel types and decent speed seems very appealing on paper, but in the reality of things, ambipom fails to stand out as something worth using considering the fact that it still doesn't contribute much and there's always going to be a better mon for the job. Looking at some of the c rank threats, I'd consider using even the likes of stoutland and linoone sooner; despite these two fitting on very specific playstyles and linoone holding a different niche, at least stoutland does a noticeably better job as a normal type wallbreaker even though it mandates sand while linoone has the potential to clean mid-to-late game on hyper offense teams. C rank is reserved for threats that don't fit on most builds, but still hold a niche that is appreciated in very specific scenarios, and with that said, I can say with certainty that Ambipom does not correlate with this level of viability.Apparently not. Joey got to #5 on the ladder with it. It's obviously not great in the meta, but it's not useless. It has a good speed tier at 115 with a base 125 STAB attack (if skill link) with knock off, fire punch, ice punch, u-turn, and fakeout so it can be customized to need. I'd say it should be in C or C+
Ambipom should be put in D-rank given it lacks any real viable niche to warrant its placement among even the shithole of C-. The problem with Ambipom isn't even necessarily that one can't find an argument to use it; on paper having good coverage and decent overall offensive power seems good coupled with its speed tier. The problems with Ambipom though are 1) bulk not worth speaking about, and 2) outclassed by literally any Pokemon that wants to be a breaker with coverage.Imo yes it should be C rank. With silk scarf, technician, and 5 hits, you get a 220 damage attack, and with stab, that's a 330 damage attack. Ouch. It's also legitimately a Gengar check with access to knock off and a better speed tier. 115 speed is great as it outspeeds threats like Gengar, Terrakion, Latias, and Serperior. Access to a solid move pool and the elemental punches mean it can threaten a lot of mons, and fake put with silk scarf and stab is a 108 BP power move that cause the opponent to flinch. It's a niche, but good mon in UU imo.
Not to be that person, but you said A-Muk can be quite passive unlike A-Muk.In regards to stuff said about A-Muk (especially when compared to Blissey): A-Muk has poison touch and pursuit, which can be very annoying for stall, especially with Knock Off. Blissey is not as splashable on teams (mostly fits on stall and a few weird teams) as A-Muk is and can be quite passive unlike A-Muk. Pursuit Trapping is such a valuable tech in the game, that really puts a damper on another person's team, causing them to have to double constantly. A-Muk does pair really well with Alomomola and Sylveon, which does make up for the recovery to a certain extent. Also, A-muk does check Z Draco CM Latias, no Latias would dare calm mind up in front of A-Muk. Yes, A-Muk does not appreciate taking a +1 Z Draco but, you have to find the right time to step up first; meaning it's still a blanket check to Z-Draco CM Latias. I think A-Muk should rise considering what it beats in the tier and how it's becoming a glue for the tier. 10 | Muk-Alola | 12.416% | <- Clearly, a lot of teams are depending on this mon to reliably beat many threats in the tier.
No he didn't. He said Blissey isn't as splashable as A-Muk, and is passive unlike A-Muk.Not to be that person, but you said A-Muk can be quite passive unlike A-Muk.
It's interesting that you add these 5 Pokemon to your list of purported checks.
Amoonguss: A ---> A+
Amoonguss is T H E definitive blanket check to so many threats in this metagame. From just the A ranks alone, it can wall and beat Scizor (if running HP Fire), Azumarill, Mega Altaria, Mega Manectric, Serperior, Primarina, Stakataka, Alomomola, Mega Sharpedo, Swampert, and now the recently dropped Breloom, for which it can also sponge Spore as a bonus. And when it's done soaking up those hits, it heals it all back up with Regenerator. With every suspect, with every unban, with every tier shift, it only becomes more and more useful. If a few more of these shifts and unbans happen, I could totally see an argument to be made for this guy to rise to S. But that's in the future, and right now, it's almost certainly A+ worthy due to being able to wall so, SO many threatening Pokemon that are running amuck in the meta.
I’m confused as to why you’re saying Quagsire only functions on stall, but should move up a tier. If stall is it’s only niche and it isn’t a versatile Pokémon then I think it should stay where it is. Quagsire and Swampert both do very different things and function on very different teams so I am unsure why they are in competition. You say pretty much only Grass types break through it but this is not true at all. Physical stall breakers such as Heracross and Haxorus are able to easily break through Quagsire. Wall breakers like Choice Band Terrakion and Choice Band Infernape are also able to beat Quagsire as well as mixed Pokémon like Life Orb Grass Knot Infernape. It’s mediocre special defense allows most power special attacking Pokémon to do massive damage to it and most likely break though it.Quagsire from B to B+
Quagsire is now a staple on stall as an unaware mon that checks setup sweepers such as cobalion and scizor from breaking through blissey and alomomola. Quagsire can also check other various physical sweepers with Curse. Quagsire does get OHKOed by any grass move which is a flaw with mons like Serperior in the tier. Quagsire also is in competition with Swampert as a bulky water but Swampert is very different from Quagsire. Quagsire also has many other notable flaws like being passive and only working on stall. But Quagsire's undeniable effectiveness on stall is a great reason it should rise.
252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 183-216 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Lucario is a premier stallbreaker that Quagsire can safely switch into and even setup on it with curse
252+ Atk Stakataka Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 130-153 (32.9 - 38.8%) -- 8.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Stakataka is also completely walled by Quagsire
Pretty much only Grass types can break through it
i was saying that quagsire should move up to almost the level of the other stall staples in Blissey and Alomomola. Yes it is true that many other mons could break through it but also have trouble if scald burns or quagsire has accumulated curse boosts. But the rest of what u said is trueI’m confused as to why you’re saying Quagsire only functions on stall, but should move up a tier. If stall is it’s only niche and it isn’t a versatile Pokémon then I think it should stay where it is. Quagsire and Swampert both do very different things and function on very different teams so I am unsure why they are in competition. You say pretty much only Grass types break through it but this is not true at all. Physical stall breakers such as Heracross and Haxorus are able to easily break through Quagsire. Wall breakers like Choice Band Terrakion and Choice Band Infernape are also able to beat Quagsire as well as mixed Pokémon like Life Orb Grass Knot Infernape. It’s mediocre special defense allows most power special attacking Pokémon to do massive damage to it and most likely break though it.
Quag isn't as crucial to stall as some other Pokemon like Blissey and Alomomola (pif built a Quag-less stall team).i was saying that quagsire should move up to almost the level of the other stall staples in Blissey and Alomomola. Yes it is true that many other mons could break through it but also have trouble if scald burns or quagsire has accumulated curse boosts. But the rest of what u said is true