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Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**
- Thread starter DHR-107
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I would guess that terastalizing prevents type or form changes. e.g., soak, protean, etc., cannot change the type of a terastalized mon,
Terastalized Meloetta can use Relic song but it won't transform. Unsure about trick or treat or forest's curse. Since they just add a type, maybe they'll still work (if they don't just avoid this complication by dexiting those moves or phantump/pumpkaboo)
Dusk Mage Necrozma
formerly XenonHero126
I’d guess it does transform but doesn’t change type.
Would certainly be ironic the gen which Super Gimmick is based on Pokemon changing its Type to exclude Pokemon who have ways of changing their Type as part of their normal gimmick.
Hmm, let's Type out the Mythicals:
Psychic: Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Victini, Meloetta, Hoopa
Grass: Celebi, Shaymin, Zarude
Steel: Jirachi, Genesect, Magearna, Meltan family
Water: Manaphy, Keldeo, Volcanion
Dark: Darkrai, Hoopa, Zarude
Flying: Shaymin
Fire: Victini, Volcanion
Fighting: Keldeo, Meloetta, Marshadow
Normal: Meleotta
Bug: Genesect
Rock: Diancie
Fairy: Diancie, Magearna
Ghost: Hoopa, Marshadow
Electric: Zeraora
Types Without Mythicals: Poison, Ground, Ice, Dragon
Special: Arceus
Grass: Celebi, Shaymin, Zarude
Steel: Jirachi, Genesect, Magearna, Meltan family
Water: Manaphy, Keldeo, Volcanion
Dark: Darkrai, Hoopa, Zarude
Flying: Shaymin
Fire: Victini, Volcanion
Fighting: Keldeo, Meloetta, Marshadow
Normal: Meleotta
Bug: Genesect
Rock: Diancie
Fairy: Diancie, Magearna
Ghost: Hoopa, Marshadow
Electric: Zeraora
Types Without Mythicals: Poison, Ground, Ice, Dragon
Special: Arceus
So, as a thought experiment, let's assume they would want as many Mythicals as needed which could represent all the Tera Types that would give Super STAB. Also, to include as many Mythicals as possible, if a dual-type Legendary is picked for a Super STAB and it shares its non-picked Type with another Pokemon, that Type is freed up for the other Pokemon of that Type to be picked. So
- Guaranteed: Shaymin (Flying), Meloetta (Normal), Genesect (Bug), Diancie (Rock), and Zeraora (Electric). Also, with Diancie representing Rock, that means Magearna can be the representative of Fairy.
From here I thinking of two different strategies which would alter which Mythicals are picked.
- Mono-Focused: If we focused on the single Type Pokemon next, that would mean Mew (Psychic), Meltan family (Steel), Manaphy (Water), & Darkrai (Dark). That leaves just Grass, Fire, Fighting, and Ghost, with the remaining possible combinations being (Celebi/Zarude), (Victini/Volcanion), Keldeo, & Marshadow OR (Celebi/Zarude), (Victini/Volcanion), Marhshadow, & Hoopa.
- Dual-Focused: if we instead focused on trying to free up options via focusing on the Pokemon with dual-types, that starts us with Jirachi (Steel). Now Hoopa appears in 3 Types, which is a bit selfish of it, so let's it aside. Doing so gets us Zarude (Dark) and Marshadow (Ghost), which then gives us Celebi (Grass) and Keldeo (Fighting), which then gives us Volcanion (Water), Victini (Fire), and finally Hoopa (Psychic).
Eh, if Terastallizing works as we think it does, as it's essentially an all-encompassing cover, doesn't matter if Melotta's Relic Song changes its Type as once Terastallize it'll always be its Tera Type. Actually, Meloetta could be a major Tera Type user as it can use Relic Song to switch between being a Physical or Special Attacker with Tera Blast always giving it a STAB going off its highest offense stat. Aria could also play as a Special Wall and Pirouette as a supportive speedster if the situation calls for it.
NEW THOUGHT - PALDEA FOSSILS:
Lockstin recently released a video about his prediction for Fossil Pokemon, and though I won't go as indepth as he did, I think the topic is still worth considering.
Now one thing to note is that Lockstin tried to stick with dinosaurs which lived in the Iberian Peninsula. But the thing is, GF don't give a mulch about where a prehistoric animal lived. Disregarding the Galar Fossils which were a joke based on the Crystal Palace Dinosaurs, the Kalos Fossils was the T-Rex (which roamed the northwest of the USA) and the Amargasaurus (which is from Argentina). Now the Tyrunt family and Amaura family were picked due to the secondary theme of them being designed to resembled a European king and queen. But hey, maybe GF looked up dinosaurs that lived in the Iberian Peninsula and noticed one they wanted to make a Fossil Pokemon for, so without anything better to go on:
First we'll start with the one I would also like to see: an Ankylosaur! Well, technically it was Nodosaurs which were in the Iberian Peninsula, a cousin family to true ankylosaurs who all fell under the Ankylosauria suborder, but details details. In the end it's an armored four-legged dinosaur (with some having trails of spikes going down along its armored back) and (some having) a clubbed tail, awesome!
Now Lockstin then suggests a Pelicanimimus, a theropod which had a throat pouch (hence its name meaning "Pelican Mimic", though artist recreations don't show the throat pouch being as big as a pelican's). However the reason he picked Pelicanimimus is due to him having chosen a secondary theme for them (medieval weaponry, his ankylosaur being armor/club and his Pelicanimimus being based on a Toledo steel sword), and I'm not sure if I want to go that far giving them a secondary theme. Like, if they picked a Pelicanimimus then alright, but I'd personally would like something more, for lack of a better word, unique.
There were a few species of Iguanodon that lived in the Iberian Peninsula. "Oh, the ones with the neat head-crests"? No, you're probably thinking of the Parasaurolophus, they're Hadrosaurids which is a descendent family of the Iguanodons that lived up in France. But, hey, Kalos uses its fossils to do the T-Rex and Amargasaurus, so I don't see why Paldea can't do a combination of all the "Duck-Billed" dinosaurs.
There's a couple of fairly typical large sauropods, Aragosaurus & Demandasaurus, if they want to do another one.
One that caught my eye is the Baryonyx. It's a theropod though it's less like T-Rex and more like a crocodile, especially in its head shape. It was semi-aquatic with its jaws and claws adapted to catching marine animals like fish or whatever unfortunate land animal would come near the waters it lived in. And if you still don't think the crocodile-like appearance is eye-catching enough, how about adding a large fin onto its back? That's because Baryonyx are members of the Spinosaurids family! Now Spinosaurus itself lives just below the Iberian Peninsula in North Africa. But hey, if we're stretching the Ankylosaurs with the Nodosaurs and the Parasaurolopus with the Iguanodons, I think we can can include Baryonyx's African cousin who's a swim across the Mediterranean Sea.
If you want some non-dinosaurs, the three interesting ones I found were:
- The Nuralagus, the largest rabbit species that ever lived.
- The Agriarctos, an ancestor of the panda (yeah, they apparently lived in Spain before moving to China, they also looked more like a Black Bear with white markings of a panda (at least that's what the artists think)).
- The Myotragus, an animal best described as an antelope-goat which also had some reptilian physiology (it still looked like a mammal, but it was cold-blooded and was able to control its bone growth rate like crocodiles)
I know there's a million other factors that determine if a Pokémon ends up good or not but...
252+ Atk Choice Band Steely Spirit Perrserker Iron Head (1.333x) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 108-127 (32.3 - 38%) -- 96.2% chance to 3HKO
Skarmory is one 30% flinch away from not being a counter. But I think the real winner when it comes to damage stacking is our new friend mono-Water Arctovish.
252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Arctovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory in Rain: 404-476 (120.9 - 142.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
We did it guys we broke Fishious Rend.
Tbh it was already broken X'D
DrCoeloCephalo
Banned deucer.
"Here, have some healing items that you don't even need cuz our game is so easy, you can usually beat them fine without them."
What a laughably useless preorder bonus.
Tbh the preorder bonuses have always been pretty pointless either ways.
As you said, pokemon games tend to already be pretty easy in first place (expecially if you use Switch battle instead of Set), so it's not like there's anything they could really give.
And they don't want to give much in the way of special bonuses for preorder either. They have been giving out temporary exclusives (like gmax meowth) for early purchases which however are more cool than good.
In this case we have teraFlying Pikachu.
Eelektross is back. Murkrow is back.
But more importantly, we all know that terastallizing is gonna get banned from singles
Judging from what's confirmed, I actually have a semi complete VGC team
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Is it good? Probably not (XD). Cacturne would most likely be Tera Grass and helps vs Pelipper Rain. Hatterene has an immunity to Taunt so it can get up TR. Bronzong is other TR setter. Hariyama helps set up TR and takes advantage of it. Eelektross is an effective mixed "wallbreaker" with is immaculate coverage. And arcanine with intimidate is prolly gonna be the best in the format
But more importantly, we all know that terastallizing is gonna get banned from singles
Judging from what's confirmed, I actually have a semi complete VGC team
+ + + + + Is it good? Probably not (XD). Cacturne would most likely be Tera Grass and helps vs Pelipper Rain. Hatterene has an immunity to Taunt so it can get up TR. Bronzong is other TR setter. Hariyama helps set up TR and takes advantage of it. Eelektross is an effective mixed "wallbreaker" with is immaculate coverage. And arcanine with intimidate is prolly gonna be the best in the format
I don't think it's quite as set in stone. It's strong but I feel like the unpredictability factor may be over-exaggerated. We will have to see.Eelektross is back. Murkrow is back.
But more importantly, we all know that terastallizing is gonna get banned from singles
Honestly with Covert Cloak you just really need the Hatt for a TR setter. Electric Tera Eelektross would probably also help vs Rain a lot more than Cacturne since it is also super effective vs Mono-Water types and nails Pelipper (who likely won't Terastal unless Enhanced Hurricanes work better in a match up than Terastallizing a Swift Swimmer) hard. I don't think there's enough shown for TR in any capacity to shine quite yet, but you know there is currently unrevealed stuff that has to be in the Paleda dex.Judging from what's confirmed, I actually have a semi complete VGC team
Is it good? Probably not (XD). Cacturne would most likely be Tera Grass and helps vs Pelipper Rain. Hatterene has an immunity to Taunt so it can get up TR. Bronzong is other TR setter. Hariyama helps set up TR and takes advantage of it. Eelektross is an effective mixed "wallbreaker" with its immaculate coverae. And arcanine with intimidate is prolly gonna be the best in the format
And yeah, Arcanine is gonna be a top dog at the start of SV VGC. It's proven itself to be an amazing supportive 'mon and Fire Terastal Arcanine wouldn't be a bad choice in some matchups due to how much damage it can deal.
Your right. But honestly, I didn't rly enjoy SwSh VGC due to the time I started (the restricted format). And I PRAY SV will have a balanced meta - and plus I just won't get it til the meta develops so
Tbfh Arcanine has been a top dog (kekw) in pretty much any regional format he's been in where Lando-T wasnt.
Well until Incineroar happened and instead of the top dog now you have a much more stacked top cat...
Wait, how are you mimicking Strong Jaw? Band is a given and Adaptability stands in for Tera Super STAB, but Dracovish has SJ in tandem, so if anything it's more broken power than what you're displaying here.
Tbh, you usually can't get Revives early and I'm sure that as easy as this game is, people have been on the wrong end of a crit early-game. Could be worse tbh.
It'd need to add Helping Hand as a boost if that's the case
well yes but dracovish is banned arco isnt
I mean I was just commenting on the number displayed not using the full extent of what it's displaying.
An alternative consideration this calc brings up is that this means Tera-Dracovish wouldn't need Rain to nuke the way it did in Gen 8. Won't likely have practical play but big numbers are funny to look at
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Helping Hand Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg in Rain: 552-649 (140.1 - 164.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
DrCoeloCephalo
Banned deucer.
Why not just stick to the simulation at that point? You'll get to play meta for free and if they still haven't made Pokemon's stat maxing very convenient, all the more reason?
I will. But either way, Im a man of incompetence - and decided to make a list of the VGC worthy mons revealed
offensive Amoonguss. Nothing else to say here
prankster antics 
also prankster antics
offensive TR mon
c'mon now. Its a non lando format - of course it'll be good
great TR setter stupifying utility/offense and can function in TR and TW
also a TR setter
rain
rain abuser
sand. I have high hopes for this meta. Ill post a link to a paste of every mon I think has a chance in gen 9 VGC
Edit: my SV VGC list https://pokepast.es/9562a9604106dc7b
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Nah.Eelektross is back. Murkrow is back.
But more importantly, we all know that terastallizing is gonna get banned from singles
Terastallizing will only be banned in 1v1, where defeats the whole purpose of 1v1.
Alternatively, you could run Iron Tail, (which has about the same BP factoring in accuracy) and Skarmory will be one Def drop away from being in KO range.
252+ Atk Choice Band Steely Spirit Perrserker Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 135-159 (40.4 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Steely Spirit Perrserker Iron Tail vs. -1 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 202-238 (60.4 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Also, call it a hunch, but I think GF might nerf Fisheous Rend and Bolt Beak the same way they nerfed Payback in gen 5. This is just baseless speculation though.
My grandma found a leak of GameFreaks making a pokemon called Worldie and made a video about it too.
Look, we already aren't meant to talk about leak on this board (there's the discord for these). Let alone the ones coming from random sources that arent even considered reputable.
Hopefully it’s x1.5 boost and doesn’t count switching as “going last”.
It was stupid that switching would be treated as “going before the opponent” for Analytic while also “going after the opponent” for Fishious Rend and Bolt Beak. Like come on, there should be at least some consistency here. inb4 they nerf Analytic instead because of this.
Be careful what you wish for. BDSP had Apricorn Balls as a preorder bonus and they were exclusive to that preorder bonus, so any other copies of BDSP are basically locked out of them forever. I'd much rather take a useless preorder bonus over that.